Any advice on this while on a water fast? I was thinking of doing it once a day for the first week.

what kind of cleanse?

What kind? water/coffee

Well, I never allow any form of coffee to touch my skin, mouth or any other part of my body. In the production of coffee, some beans are roasted. This process causes a chemical bond between carbohydrates and proteins/amino acids in the beans. The resultant compounds are often carcinogenic. So my advice is just stay away from it.

André

What if it were just water without the coffee added? I've done hydrotherapy/colonics before just never when fasting. Very beneficial to health.

I also NEVER introduce any kind of stuff up the wrong way into the colon. I believe "colonics" are really harmful for a variety of reasons, inter alia:

1. The colon is a POLARIZED organ.. it moves in a certain direction. Flushing something from the end causes some "traffic" moving the wrong way in a "one way street".

2. There's several hundred colonies of bacteria in the colon, and they inhabit this organ in a specific sequence. Like an industrial "assembly line" one colony has to do its job before the next can take over. By flushing the lower colon's bacteria into the higher colon, one disrupts the entire seqential processing mechanism.

3. The bacteria in the colon produces up to 250 different essential nutrients for its host. It uses, and makes up, the bulk of the colon's content. Flushing it out disrupts the production of these micro-nutrients.

It seems humans are the only animals with an anal fixation, interfering with the function of this very important organ.

In nature, with every change of season, our diet changes and this causes a temporary "traveller's diarrhea" which flushes not only the rectum/descending colon but also the gullet, stomach, duodenum, jejunum, ileum, ascending and transverse colon.. but it does so in the appropriate DIRECTION.

The only reasons I would ever introduce fluid through the anus is to relieve an obstruction or impaction. Perhaps to prepare for surgery or colonoscopy if the correct flush (by mouth) did not work. But I will never expose my body to an enema or "colonic" if I can avoid it.

André

I see your point to an extent. But to replenish the lost "good" bacteria and nutrients, Probiotics can do that. Also, the water colonics don't "push" the matter backwards, the warm water loosens and eliminates it. The politically correct name would be rectum as opposed to anus.
Anyway, thanks for your input, I won't do it on the water fast, but I do think it is a good choice of cleansing.

I had a high colonic once and I didn't feel any different but the next day I didn't feel as dense through my middle. I guess the idea that you have been thoroughly evacuated is appealing.

The amazing thing about it was the nurse pointed out these small grains of sediment that weren't flowing through the tube and said they were heavy metals. She suggested I have a heavy metal test and she was right. I had dangerous levels of gadolinium in my body from an MRI.

BTW, if you have your appendix you can repopulate your beneficial bacteria because this is now known to be something the appendix does.

Quite right, Meditating, the main function of the appendix is to re-colonize the colon. Probiotics, dear Doug, has extremely limited value, as the colon needs about 300 different bacteria to do its job properly. Probiotics tend to supply one or two.. and these might actually prevent the appropriate ones from taking over if you use them continually. I do presecribe them on occasion after a diarrhea or with antibiotics, but as little for as short as possible.

It is an unfortunate misconception that stuff.. any stuff.. can stick in or to the colon. Once you have held a living colon in your hands (like during surgery) you will realize it would be like sticking something to a layer of grease. That is why we need to maintain the correct direction of flow in the colon.. and for sure, I am too fond of my health to ever undergo a "colonic".

André

SO I'm guessing anal sex is out too.

I've never had a enema. I actually tried one, but it didn't work. I'd rather drink something, personally.

Yep...its a ONE WAY only

Yeah, try telling my (very crude and open, but at the same time hilarious) uncle that. He once told everyone at a party, "when the front door's painted "red" use the back door"

I totally ruined this thread with my own crude open-ness delete if you must, good Doctor

I will never edit or delete posts from contributors to this site.. for that I have too much respect for you.. but back to the topic under duscussion: We have just been warned by the Department of Health in the UK, and I quote:

www.doctors.net.uk/ecme/wfrmIntro.aspx?g...id=1087&orgnid=4

"C. difficile is a spore-forming anaerobic bacterium that is found as normal flora in up to 3% of adults and 66% of infants (HPA). CDI is generally associated with a disruption to the normal gut flora. This can be the result of treatment with broad-spectrum antibiotics, repeated enemas and/ or gut surgery (HPA). Disruption of gastric acidity with suppressive agents is also believed to contribute to increased risk of CDI (Dial et al, 2005).

When the balance of normal gut flora is disturbed, C. difficile rapidly multiplies and produces the enterotoxins A and B which cause illness. CDI most frequently manifests as mild to severe diarrhoea, although rare fatal complication such as pseudomembranous colitis (bleeding from the colon), perforation and toxic megacolon can occur (McFarland and Stamm, 1986; HPA). There were 3,807 CDI-associated reported deaths in England for the year 2005 (National Statistics Online)."

CDI = Clostridicum Difficile Infection; Difficile refers to how difficult it is to treat.

Please note the warning about enemas.. and those were given by professionals trained in clean techniques! No one, and that includes myself, will give me an enema!

André

Thanks for the information. I'll check into it more.

Thanks for that info, Doctor! That makes sense to me. Not that I needed convincing I wonder why so many fasting Doctors are for it?

Well, if I have to be blunt: I think they have an anal fixation.

There might be some pressure or a conception of pressure from patients that a doctor needs to do something, not just listen and advise. You have to feel useful after all..

André

:lol: Petals your Uncle is funny!

In my opinion, I think colonics are alright "if" done in moderation. I found this powder stuff online called Colonix with the tea & some pills too I believe. It actually did what it promised with the visuals online.
Here's the site: http://www.drnatura.com/colonix_program.php

I'm ordering some more of this stuff soon, I like stuff like this.

Petals wrote:
SO I'm guessing anal sex is out too.

I've never had a enema. I actually tried one, but it didn't work. I'd rather drink something, personally.

Girl everytime I read the greater majority of your posts you have me cracking up!!!! I love it!!

I looked at the Colonix website and unfortunately this is once again something I will not allow into my body. For example they claim:

"The Colonix Intestinal Cleanser is a fiber supplement that cleanses the colon of accumulated toxic build-up."

but nowhere on the site could I find a list of the active substances of the concoction. For all I know, the junk that came out after drinking this, could have been part of the formulation.

And it is still just so simple: How on earth can you get something OUT by putting something IN? Having held living colon in one's hands (during surgery) does indeed make these claims sound rather ridiculous.

Only Mother Nature has no ulterior motives; when people start extracting, mixing, processing and combining stuff into powders, capsules, potions and the like, there's only one real driving force: To get the money out of your purse into theirs. Even if the stuff is claimed to be "natural".. remember, poison Ivy, arsenic and ratllesnakes are perfectly natural also!

Apologies to all for being a purist and paranoid about marketing ploys. Please ignore this if it does not suit you.

André

I just have attempted to do a 3 days water fast (decided to do on a spare of the moment) and for the first time I did it without a colonic.

I had a thumping headache all day (and I never have any headaches when fasting, actually I rarely have headaches at all), every day.

I am attributing this to not having a colonic, I am not advocating it but i think I should stick with my experience. People always report having headaches during their fast and it always surprised me but maybe this is where the difference lies.

About 30 years ago my patients also complained about headaches during a fast. Then over a few years we developed the 5-step elimination cycle and have barely seen a headache since. Some caffeine addicts still gets them, and we have good success with oxygen therapy. Then on the odd occasion when people have a reason to clean the gut, we do it from top to bottom, not "against the traffic", with good results.

I must be honest with you, I cannot imagine how stretching the rectum would prevent a headache.. but accept your word for it. It would be interesting, however, to see if this experience is repeatable or perhaps just a once off coincidence.

Andree

i don't have much caffeine so it cannot be that. Would be interested in trying it again and will let you know. It is just that I normally have colonics at the start of the fast and feel really uplifted (except for day 3) and have virtually no side effects, so I am not used to this.
I am also used to the stool reinstating as soon as I start any solids and this time it was a bit different.

It seems humans are the only animals with an anal fixation, interfering with the function of this very important organ.

In Barcelona (Spain) an article appeared in a journal "The Medicine of the Month:" about enemas. It shows the delightful print of the amazing bird, the ibis, giving itself a water enema!

Source: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6818/is_2_22/ai_n28456421/

The Fast Doctor wrote:


And it is still just so simple: How on earth can you get something OUT by putting something IN? Having held living colon in one's hands (during surgery) does indeed make these claims sound rather ridiculous.

André

The only reasons I would ever introduce fluid through the anus is to relieve an obstruction or impaction. Perhaps to prepare for surgery or colonoscopy if the correct flush (by mouth) did not work. But I will never expose my body to an enema or "colonic" if I can avoid it.

So, you just contradicted yourself in the same thread, Doc. If it's obstructed or impacted and you're using fluid up there to help get it out.

First it's, "It's ridiculous to think you can get things out by putting things in!"

Then a few posts later, "Oh, yeah, if I had constipation THEN I would put something in me to get it out"

And I'm sure you know this, but if you eat properly you never need worry about blockage or constipation

If you read the context, dear Mordenkainen, there's no contradiction. You need to cleanse the colon, yes, but NOT from the BOTTOM UJPWARDS, no.

Sure if there's a mechanical obstruction I will pass a scope from the bottom. But an obstruction is a dire surgical emergency, something you will not survive for more than a handful of hours if left alone. So that does not ever occur in more than a very tiny fraction of the population.

I fully agree that if you eat correctly (and fast correctly and regularly) you will likely be safeguarded from obstructions and most malfunctions. That is one reason why I detest these practices of inserting tubes and liquids through the anus in people not needing aggressive srugical intervention.

André

The Fast Doctor wrote:
If you read the context, dear Mordenkainen, there's no contradiction. You need to cleanse the colon, yes, but NOT from the BOTTOM UJPWARDS, no.

Sure if there's a mechanical obstruction I will pass a scope from the bottom. But an obstruction is a dire surgical emergency, something you will not survive for more than a handful of hours if left alone. So that does not ever occur in more than a very tiny fraction of the population.

I fully agree that if you eat correctly (and fast correctly and regularly) you will likely be safeguarded from obstructions and most malfunctions. That is one reason why I detest these practices of inserting tubes and liquids through the anus in people not needing aggressive srugical intervention.

André

Now I have to read for context?! Good grief, this internets thing is getting difficult .

Thanks for the response!

It's an interesting conversation about the benefits of taking enema! As far as I know, there are two popular water fasting schools - the American and the Russian, and the only difference between them is the implementation of the enema during the process of fasting. The Russian(Urii Sergeevich Nikolaev) advocates the enema in the same way Andre denies it - giving scientific proofs to his own words. He (Nikolaev) says that taking enema during a seven day water fast gives you the benefits of a 10 day fast without enema. And he(Nikolaev) is also MD Professor in the University of Medicine in former USSR. Actually, taking(or not) enemas during the fast is the only difference between the two water fasting schools(Russian & American). My opinion on this matter is based on experience and not on knowledge, so I can't participate disputes. I have tried water fasting both with and without enemas and I feel better, when I DO TAKE ENEMAS. The clean colon gives me relief of pain in my joints and I feel better. This needs an explanation, unfortunately I am not theoretically prepared to give it, so let someone else do it! Thank you guys!
Dedov.

If an enema is given in the very lowest part of the colon alone (That is, just the rectum), many of my misgivings about it disappears. I have a particular problem with high enemas and "colonics" however.

But remember that the rectum is only a storage organ, NOT an elimination organ.. Actually, some minerals are absorbed INTO the body from the rectum's content. What passes from the intestine is food residue and colonic bacteria, not real metabolic toxins.

Elimination is done primarily in the kidneys, but the sweat glands can do a lot also. When fasting, the kidneys become less important as they cannot process fat soluble chemicals and while fasting the metabolism is largely fat based. That is why we focus so much on the sweat treatments.

The liver is of course also an important elimination organ during the fast, but it excretes the bile into the UPPER part of the intestine (Duodenum) so no amount of enema or colonic irrigation can get to it. That's one reason why I prefer the oral Macroglycol cleanse IF any cleansing needs be done.. which in my experience is not often. The body is well equipped to deal with most of the toxins in a more natural way.

André