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My First 30 Day Water Fast 12 Mar 2007 03:56 #35

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Today I am on Day 11 of my 30 Day water Fast. I'm still going to work daily and also cooking supper each day for the family. The fast has had it's ups and downs, I have thought about ending it a few times. However I will continue on as I can see and feel the healing effects already. The most difficult times of this fast are family and freinds who do not understand and make judgement.

I find a long water fast is an excellent time to read and read some more as time seems to slow down and of course you have a lot more of it by not eating all the time.

For anyone thinking of full 30 day water fast I would recommend working your way up to it by completing a few smaller water fasts first.

If anyone else has completed a 30 day water fast I would love to here about it. Cheers
Jordan OHara, PSP
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 14 Mar 2007 12:26 #36

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Congratulations so far! I have supervised a few fasts up to 45 days in the past but have not done more than a week or so at a time myself. What I have observed, particularly in the laboratory, is that longer fasting tends to cause elevation of a specific liver enzyme called ALT. I believe this is because the liver is \"bombarded\" with more toxins coming from the tissues being cleansed during the fast. Since the liver does not have a \"port\" to the outside world other than via the biliary system (gall bladder etc) which drains into the upper small intestine (duedenum), it is mostly re-absorbed as it travels down the intestine. The only other organs capable of eliminating meaningful volumes of fat-suluble (hydrophobic) toxins are the tonsils, appendix, lungs (if the chemicals are volatile) and the skin. The latter is the most useful as it is in direct contact with the environment to where we want the toxins eliminated. Therefore, a lot of sweat therapy during a fast causes it to be much less toxic to the body and tends to restore energy. You may be tired not because of lack of nutrients but rather as a result of the toxicity.. I advise a 5 step elimination cycle to be repeated at least 3 times per day during a fast, particularly after the 3rd day. This consist of exercise, massage, heat (sweat), cold and rest in this sequence and each step following directly on the previous one.
Wishing you all the best with your endeavour, please do not hesitate to ask questions or give feedback. We're watching this space!
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 14 Mar 2007 16:45 #38

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After 14 Days of Water I'm actually planning to end my fast short today with some bananas and a little yogurt. I have had some pain in my center liver area directly under what I think is called the solar plexus. I have had this pain in the past so I know that my system may be trying to repair it but I can’t take the pain, I may try SAMe supplements. Also I have had hunger pains each day of the fast likely due to yeast that has no mercy. I also had skin fold psoriasis behind my ears and the water fast has almost completely healed it which is great as this supposedly has no cure. I plan on continuing intermittent fasting (eat one day fast the next) on a life long basis as I find this easy. I will try again in after summer to complete 30 day water fast and periodically for the rest of my life. During this fast I have trimmed down from 230 pounds to 180 pounds and look much-much younger. My blood pressure previous to fasting was very high and dangerous. It has improved now, my last reading was 120 / 90. I’m not sure why relaxing pressure is high but it’s still a great improvement. Now that most of the poisoned fat is out of the way I plan on training on a more regular basis and I will be extra careful now as to what I put in my body.

If you would like me to put down anything that I experience during life long intermittent fasting please create a category for it.

Best of Health
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 15 Mar 2007 08:55 #39

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I think it's an excellent idea this every second day fasting.. it has been proven just as efficient as energy restriction in reducing the rate of aging.

Rememeber the solar plexus is in the center of the body (midline), the liver is predominantly on the right, although the smaller left lobe may lie across the midline. The gall bladder sometimes gets overfilled during fasting, it is slightly to the right of the midline, a few fingers belos the lowest rib.

I have often noted psoriasis responding very favourable to fasting.. it is after all an auto-immune disease, most likely triggered off by collagen in the diet. A totally collagen free diet may help maintain the improvement. Collagen is found only in living organisms able to move around on its own.. worms, snails, birds, fish, cattle, humans.. you should avoid eating any of these.

Dit higher diastolic pressure is usually a temporary finding as the blood vessels tone up, don't worry about it.

Yoghurt is good early in refeeding because it contains many bacteria and a few fungi, all likely beneficial. Fungi in the intestine tends to be decimated in a fast because they starve..

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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 15 Mar 2007 20:54 #40

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I'm passing some type of sandy material out the urine with a few very small rocks like substances. It's a bit painful. I don't know how non-liquid mater can get into the bladder? Any ideas? You help is much appreciated.
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 16 Mar 2007 08:12 #43

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I see my previous reply is not on the forum yet. To recap.. stones can form in the kidney, more often the pelvis of the kidney, in the ureter underway to the bladder or in the bladder itself, sometimes even in the urethra (from the bladder to the outside world). Most common it is in the pelvis, then travels down if small enough.
\"Grit\" in the urine is not uncommon, but one will have to analyze it to see what it consists of.. protein, cystine, calcium oxalate, uric acid, pigment, bacteria, or a combination of some of these. Each has its own cause(s) and treatment, although it is generally advised to have a high liquid intake to dilute the urine to prevent this.
In my experience so called \"supplements\" (vitamins, and in particular minerals such as Calcium) often cause grit or even overt kidney stones, so I never use them.
Hope this helps.
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 17 Mar 2007 03:29 #44

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The Grit cleared up the next morning. Whatever it was did not belong in me and I'm glad it has left. Thanks!
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 18 Mar 2007 00:29 #45

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I have previously noted that my blood pressure has been corrected from very high before the fast to a nice 120/80. I have now noticed that it has gone even lower now. Please note I feel great. The readings I'm getting are around 117-74 up to 120/80. Anything I need to worry about?
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 05 Apr 2007 11:54 #46

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Apologies for the long silence.. I was doing some A&E work on an island near the coast of Europe.. some kind of \"kingdom\" I understand.. anyway, this lowering of the blood pressure, that is not only normal, it is excellent. I often find pressures as low as 80/50 in my patients on combined fasting and Hydro-Detoxification. The only proven complication of \"low blood pressure\" is that it slows down the aging process.. if you don't want that to happen, you can swallow some Ephedrine or Etilefrine to increase the measurement and speed up aging again...
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 07 May 2007 14:40 #63

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The Fast Doctor wrote:
Congratulations so far! I have supervised a few fasts up to 45 days in the past but have not done more than a week or so at a time myself. What I have observed, particularly in the laboratory, is that longer fasting tends to cause elevation of a specific liver enzyme called ALT. I believe this is because the liver is \"bombarded\" with more toxins coming from the tissues being cleansed during the fast. Since the liver does not have a \"port\" to the outside world other than via the biliary system (gall bladder etc) which drains into the upper small intestine (duedenum), it is mostly re-absorbed as it travels down the intestine. The only other organs capable of eliminating meaningful volumes of fat-suluble (hydrophobic) toxins are the tonsils, appendix, lungs (if the chemicals are volatile) and the skin. The latter is the most useful as it is in direct contact with the environment to where we want the toxins eliminated. Therefore, a lot of sweat therapy during a fast causes it to be much less toxic to the body and tends to restore energy. You may be tired not because of lack of nutrients but rather as a result of the toxicity.. I advise a 5 step elimination cycle to be repeated at least 3 times per day during a fast, particularly after the 3rd day. This consist of exercise, massage, heat (sweat), cold and rest in this sequence and each step following directly on the previous one.
Wishing you all the best with your endeavour, please do not hesitate to ask questions or give feedback. We're watching this space!
André

Hello Dr. Andre,

Quite refreshing to read this post and I was fascinated to know that EVEN tonsils has the ability to eliminate!

I understand the tonsils to be the tail end of our lymphatic system yet, didn't know that while fasting, they are capable of elimianting fat soluable toxins.

I whole heartedly agree with stimulating the toxins to be released to make fasting more enjoyable and less of a burden on the body. Correct me if I am wrong but I understand that the body is approximately 80% filled with toxins by day 4-5.

Boy, I sure would hate to have the LIVER's job. * chuckles *


~ML
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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 07 May 2007 14:54 #64

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I have often noted psoriasis responding very favourable to fasting.. it is after all an auto-immune disease, most likely triggered off by collagen in the diet. A totally collagen free diet may help maintain the improvement. Collagen is found only in living organisms able to move around on its own.. worms, snails, birds, fish, cattle, humans.. you should avoid eating any of these.
André


YES! I successfully healed from \"psoriasis\" with fasting. However, I wanted to ask for clarificaiton on your statement about collagen Dr. Andre. Why would collagen in the diet stimulate the onset of auotimmune? Reason I ask b/c I was a vegetarian for decades prior to my onset of autoimmune. In fact, my over consumption of poor processed soy products lead to many health issues........

Wouldn't it rather be the underlying issue of why the body/system is not processing/filtering out the collagen rather than the food itself? Although elimation of certain foods would be wise too.


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Re:My First 30 Day Water Fast 11 May 2007 05:49 #69

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Sorry for the delay in replying. Collagen diseases such as psoriasis, rheumatoid diseases, scleroderma and to some extent MS, are at least partly mediated by antibodies to collagen. Whenever you eat collagen (that is, ANY animal product except dairy and unfertilized eggs) there is a chance that a piece of collagen could pass through your stomach without having been broken down into its constituent amino acids. Should for any reason your intestine be compromised at that stage (for example, some endothelial cells in repair mode), these \"pieces of collagen\" could \"leak\" into your blood stream, reach the bone marrow and so activate an immune response.
This response is the same as any other immunity (eg., to the 'flu if you had it or had an immunization), thus it could last a lifetime. On occasion your immune system \"forgets\" a specific antigen and you may lose this response, but it can usually be re-triggered by a very small exposure.
I read recently that the average human swallows about 10 spiders in a lifetime.. usually blissfully unaware of it. We actually breathe in some very small insects, often invisible to the unfocused eye, and all of these contain collagen. Thus collagen reactions could be triggered without you actually consciously eating a dead animal.
But it is also possible to develop collagen antibodies without external exposure. Because we live in a world where there's a lack of immune stimuli (we are raised in clean clothes, get bathed daily, destroy most micro-organisms in our environment), the immune system often becomes \"frustrated\". It's like an army with no war to fight. So it starts picking a fight, often a \"civil war\".. looking for trouble because trouble is its business. That is one reason I use a lot of vaccinations on myself.. to keep the immune system focused on foreign antigens so that it does not have to start a \"civil war\" inside.
Once activated, an auto-immunity might perpetuate itself even if the stimilus is gone. One the odd occasion I might even employ an immune suppressant drug to terminate this, although most often I find a longer fast (more than 2 weeks) does the trick.
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