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David
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Natural alternative to antibiotics - 26/12/2007 13:21
What does one do if one is on the fasting path and has to for whatever reason administer a dose of antibiotics?
Let us say for example that while on a fast or simply in healthy living mode, one gets bitten by a wild animal.
Your GP recommends a course of antibiotics...Help! what do you do?
Can fasting alone suffice to heal a wound and stop it from getting septic? Or do we need rely on supplements such as penicillin?
Be curious to have your views.
David
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 07/01/2008 16:55
In nature most wounded animals after fighting will hide and fast until healed. Fasting works to heal a wounded animal in nature; so likely it would also work for a more advanced wounded human. This would have to be a total resting fast to mimic the method of an animal.
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The Fast Doctor
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 11/01/2008 00:51
For sure fasting helps with the healing of wounds. In the fasting state, after all, you heal the wounds using other parts of your own body.. which is already human. already "part of you". When you eat, your body needs to try healing the wounds with parts of animals (if you eat them), plants or whatever you eat. Now bear in mind that the volume or weight of tissues necessary to be generated to heal a wound or a disease is miniscule compared to the reserves in the body, so you really don't need bulk.. quality comes before quantity.
Concerning "additives" like Penicillin.. bear in mind penicillin is a naturally occurring substance, really not much different from vitamins or other extracts that people consider safe. It does, however have a tendency to irritate an empty stomach (but so can certain vitamins- they can even cause a stomach ulcer!). Other antibiotics like the fat soluble "macrolides" are much less irritating to the stomach.
the contention that you need to use "an antibiotic" because of an injury is however wrong.. every antibiotic has a specific spectrum of microbes it is effective on, and one should always identify the "pathogen" before prescribing. Blind use of antibiotics is bad medicine. Proper use can save lives, and can definitely be part of a holistic approach.
Immunization is another part of such holistic approach, stimulating your own immune system to protect you better, by giving it some "target practice".
Therefore, there is no single answer.. each case should be considered in perspective.
André
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 13/02/2008 15:58
Hi Andre et al,
There appears to some confusion on what is a natural approach to life, as in Nature Cure, and the medical paradigm, as in medicine.In fact, in simple terms, they are opposite. In medicine, the disease(acute) is an entity attacking the body caused by a bacteria or virus. In Nature Cure the disease(acute) is the body in action, healing itself from whatever ails it. This process is quite normal and natural and occurs in all living organisms.
The use of drugs or remedies of any kind to "treat" the symptoms of this healing process are contra-indicated, and in fact fraught with much danger, as they not only suppress this natural healing process, and contibute towards the building of chronic disease, and debility at a later stage, they can also kill.
In excess of fourty years of professional practice, have I as yet to see a situation where I would consider the use of anti-biotics. In fact the opposite would be true, as the support of the living organism is more important than any other factor. And
by its very name we know that anti-biotics are against, and not for life. Anti means against, and bios means life.
Vaccination is of course, just another instance of the suppression of the natural healing processes of the body.And all wounds heal, not because of the medication used, but in spite of them.
John
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The Fast Doctor
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 11/04/2008 00:32
If only things were so simple. I am privileged to have a foot in both worlds.. working in "A&E" sometimes, and having the wonderful luxury of a Nature cure resort at other times.
John's quite right about AntiLife.. I wonder how many peopla are aware that the first "antibiotic" ever used was... Arsenic! (I still had a bottle of arsenic suppositories on my shelf when I started practicing). Later we used malaria (to induce fever, to kill off syphilis), etc.
Still, antibiotics and surgery can save lives. They do so every day. Like panelbeaters don't service your car, surgeons and physicians don't treat health..but the service mechanic cannot say panelbeaters are useless, as breakages also occur.
Be careful for implying the word "ALL". Not ALL disease is caused (or aggravated/complicated) by "germs", but some are, and sometimes dealing with that aspect may stave off death for long enough to give us the opportunity to address the underlying lifestyle/condition/environment that gave that "germ" its foothold in the first place. A real holistic approach needs to accommodate a spectrum of mechanisms, interactions, causes and effects.
We should not unduly criticize disease practitioners. Sure, if you service your car regularly, you won't need repairs (unless you crash), so yes prevention is better than cure. But not all people are doing that, and anyway even in those of us who do, life saving intervention is sometimes necessary. My own life has at least twice been saved by acute surgical/medical intervention.
The question is what we do once the crisis is over.. as that is where my (medical) profession's function seems to abruptly stop. This is where "nature cure" and lifestyle should take over, working not away from disease but towards health.
There is no need for Medical practitioners and Nature cure practictioners to be adversaries. We just serve different aspects of the spectrum from overt disease to overt health. And as I am proving, these unnecessary "opponents" may both reside in total harmony in one person. They should even more easily do so also in one population.
After all health is much more than the absence of disease, but we need sometimes to achieve the latter before pursuing the former.
André
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 23/04/2008 04:51
Hi Andre,
I have as yet to observe any instance where we could unequivocally say that the use of anti-biotics has saved a life. In fact if we are to be entirely honest, all we can say is that the person survived, whether it was because of, or in spite of, is a moot question.
You mention having experienced the life -saving benefits of drug medication on two occasions. In my own life I can quote a number of instances where, medically speaking I should not be alive, or if I am be badly crippled by my injuries, or the effects of the poisons etc. Yet, except for now having to have an annual medical check up to obtain a driving licence, I have not been to a medical dr or in a medical institution, for nigh on 50 years. And unless I was severly injured and required a good surgeon to repair the injury, will continue to choose this path for the rest of my life.
Dr Ryke Hamer put it rather succintly when he said, Nature does not make mistakes, only we make mistakes.And if we stop making the mistakes, our bodis will always heal themselves, as they always do in spite of the intervention, if we survive the intervention.
John
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 23/04/2008 04:56
Hi,
The administration of any drug, be it anti-biotic or whatever, is always bound up with the the possibility that we might die from its effects when living normally. This is even more so when fasting.
It is always good to keep in mind that:
1.All drugs are poisons
2. Our bodies are self healing organisms.
3.They heal best when we are fasting.
John
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 23/04/2008 04:57
Hi Andre,
I have as yet to observe any instance where we could unequivocally say that the use of anti-biotics has saved a life. In fact if we are to be entirely honest, all we can say is that the person survived, whether it was because of, or in spite of, is a moot question.
You mention having experienced the life -saving benefits of drug medication on two occasions. In my own life I can quote a number of instances where, medically speaking I should not be alive, or if I am be badly crippled by my injuries, or the effects of the poisons etc. Yet, except for now having to have an annual medical check up to obtain a driving licence, I have not been to a medical dr or in a medical institution, for nigh on 50 years. And unless I was severly injured and required a good surgeon to repair the injury, will continue to choose this path for the rest of my life.
Dr Ryke Hamer put it rather succintly when he said, Nature does not make mistakes, only we make mistakes.And if we stop making the mistakes, our bodis will always heal themselves, as they always do in spite of the intervention, if we survive the intervention.
John
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Re:Natural alternative to antibiotics - 25/04/2008 23:37
Valid points John. Perhaps I was just lucky, working with thousands of desperately ill patients in emergency situations, to have come across some whose lives I am convinced was saved by drugs.
I think amongst others of the patients with severe acute asthma attacks, blood oxygen levels dropping before our eyes and about to suffocate to death within minutes.. and the lungs being opened up by a nice stiff dose of Aminophylline, colour returning, patient regaining consciousness. I don't think fasting would have done the trick. Sure, once breathign again, we should delve into the cause(s) and perhaps help cure it with fasting, prevent it from happening again..
Or the man coming in with an acute heart attack, and on the ECG I can see there's a large piece of heart muscle aboout to die.. the ultrasound shows it is no longer contracting, the patient is going into heart failure. He would be dead in five minutes if I don't give something like Streptokinase to dissolve the clot here and now.. Sure, once the clot is dissolved and the size of dead heart muscle is limited, we can address his lifestyle and likely advise fasting but we just don't have the time to do it there and then. (Incidentally, Streptokinase is a toxin extracted from the Streptococcal bacteria..)
I don't think we will achieve anything but antagonism by being blankly and unreasonably "anti-medical". There must be some method in the madness if the vast majority of people still use drugs. it would be energy better spent to point out how we can take off where drugs leave off, allow the orthodox science to achieve non-illness, then guide our patients towards health.
Health, after all is much more than the absence of disease.
Once health is achieved, the likelyhood of becoming non-healthy should be avoided and then disease is less likely to set in. Only then can we achieve our ultimate dream of a drugless world.
André
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