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Liver pain after fasting 04 Oct 2010 15:53 #5148

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Hi everyone,
I broke my 10-day water fast two days ago. I ate small pieces of watermelon and an orange every two hours for the first day. Today I added one apple and two pieces of melon. I had only three this kind of meals today. I am feeling pain just under my lover right ribs. I assume it’s my liver. My stomach seems to be OK. I felt similar pain under the right ribs during the fast as well but only when I was sitting in the chair bent. I felt I should had fasted for longer as only a part of my tongue cleared up but I have to go to work soon and I had to break the fast.
Can anyone please suggest anything? I never had any problems with my liver and I am not on any medications. Can it be gallstones?

Cheers,

M
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Re: Liver pain after fasting 04 Oct 2010 20:50 #5150

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Gallstones surely is a possibility, as is gall bladder "grit" but in most cases where I have investigated this there was no clear answer. It would be valuable to have your liver functions measured (Protein, enzymes, bilirubin) but these would have been even more useful if you had the same profile done before the fast as a comparison.

One reason why I fast at least 30-60 hours EVERY week is to help the body keep up with the elimination process so that the elimination mechanisms do not get overwhelmed when detox takes place.

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Re: Try the ' Good OL' Liver Flush!' 12 Oct 2010 17:12 #5219

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Since I have never been able to pass the 8 days water only fast thresh hold yet,I always experienced some type of blockage after a fast.
Like pain in between my neck and shoulder, edema, back pain all sort of aches and pains.
A simple liver flush does wonders for me every time after a fast.
After a couple days into my re-feeding, Just ¼ cup oil and Lime juice each and about 1 Tbl Epsom salt with some fresh apple juice (And Oh! Do not let me forgot the RUN all night long to the bath room) is all I needed. I usually do this before bed and the following day, this humble flush always left me stunned to see what manner of ugliness flushed out of me.

Good Luck!
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Re: Try the ' Good OL' Liver Flush!' 13 Oct 2010 06:35 #5224

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Thanks Mrs L.

I have studied this "liver flush" for some time and can yet not fathom why it has this name. All the consituents will be digested into simple molecules and absorbed into the blood circulation from where it will reach basically all organs just like any other food.

Sure, any fat (Oil included) will cause the gall bladder to contract (squirting bile into the gut to digest the oil). Some of the Epsom salts might remain in the gut and cause diarrhea through the irritation process. Perhaps this helps eliminate some of the bile that entered the gut.
Lemon will cause the parotid gland (and to a lesser extent the pancreas) to produce and secrete enzymes into the gut.

Looking at these mechanisms I will still favour the inert gut flush (Macrogols) on the rare occasion where this is indicated. But I do share your joy for feeling better and hope you enjoy our little fasting community.

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Re: Thank you! 13 Oct 2010 18:14 #5225

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Thank You Andre’ for running this fine fasting connection web site! I am really happy to join this fasting community.
In regard to the Liver flush, I always believed it to be special I mean not just another laxative.
Hey! If the Fast doctor has different point of views, I pay attention!

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Re: Thank you! 13 Oct 2010 20:45 #5227

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Thank you for your thank you dear Mrs L. But please note the site is owned and run by David.. I merely use its excellent organization to help as many people as I can.. We're all happy if you derive benefit from it!
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Re: Liver pain after fasting 21 Oct 2010 15:23 #5269

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Hi the Fast Doctor,
Thanks for your prompt reply. Sorry, it took me a while to reply myself. I checked my liver, kidneys, spleen and pancreas using the ultrasound. There no gallstones in the gall bladder and the liver ducts are clean. However, I have at least one cyst in my liver. Unfortunately, I didn't ask what the exact size was as I was more concerned with the stones at the time (silly me). Now I have to wait for the doctors in the hospital to get the images assessed and passed them to my GP. This all is a long process and might take a week. In the meantime I still experience the same symptoms. In the last couple of days I've read a lot about all kinds of cysts and I am worried now to say the least.
My feeling is that my 10-day fast just pinpointed where the problem was... After my GP gets the results I want to have Liver function test and have a chat to a specialist.
My question is: Can I still do short fasts in the meantime, or shall I do all the testing first (including a possible biopsy)?

Thanks for your replies,

M
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Re: Liver pain after fasting 21 Oct 2010 21:27 #5271

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Many people have lifelong liver cysts that can be perfectly benign. But I will also have any such cyst checked out if newly discovered because it may also indicate a serious underlying condition. I used to use ultrasound to guide a biopsy needle into the wall of such a cyst, take a sample and have this looked at by a histo-pathologist. This would indeed take some time because, to get a good look, the cells need to be fixed in a medium that can be cut a few microns thick..

I have also had a patient with several liver cysts that shrunk during a fast. But I would always insist where possible to get a proper diagnosis first. Your entire experience may be a blessing in disguise, having caused this to be found.

Meanwhile there is absolutely NO reason from this finding not to fast.. on the contrary, I would recommend it. Even long fasts would do no harm and might do good. And yes, have the biopsy. I would.

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Re: Liver pain after fasting 06 Nov 2010 16:57 #5326

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Hi André,
Thanks for your response and sorry for the late reply again. It just took ages to get an appointment with my GP. The following is the abstract from the Ultrasound report:
Referral notes: Right upper quadrant pain, ? fatty liver?

Report: There is probably some mild patchy fatty infiltration of the liver. There is a 17mm simple cyst adjacent to the portal vein. The spleen, pancreas, gallbladder, biliary tree and kidneys define normally.

I asked my GP to organise a biopsy for me and a referral to a specialist. He said that it's better to have a CT scan at this stage. Apparently he faxed my details to the hospital but they haven't contacted me yet. I don't know, maybe I need to change a GP...I also intend to have an angiogram since I started to experience some sensation in my jaw similar to the one I had at the beginning of this year when I had chest pains. How safe is an angiogram procedure?
After your last reply I fasted for 40 hours and everything was fine. I intend to do 36-40 hour water fasts once a week and then go for a long fast at the end of December. Interestingly, the pain in my liver subsided and as I recall it now, it started on Day 8 of my water fast but increased after I started eating. My body was telling me to continue the fast but I had to have time for recovery…

Thank you very much for all your support and advice.

Cheers,

M
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Re: Liver pain after fasting 06 Nov 2010 17:31 #5327

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Hi M.

I tend to agree with your GP not to do a biopsy now. One cannot biopsy a cyst without puncturing it and a liver biopsy would unlikely tell us anything that would change the course of treatment. There is also the risk of bleeding or leakage of bile so it has to be done in hospital with surgeons on standby should such complications arise.

An angiogram is, depending on which organ is so investigated, quite safe. Of course leakage can also occur, and then one wonders how the result of an angiogram will change treatment. If you refer to a CORONARY angiogram, I usually only recommend these if a stress ECG shows signs of ischaemic heart disease.

Fasting per se could reverse the fatty changes by mobilizing the fat from the liver (to be used as energy elsewhere). To be really effective this needs to be a reasonably prolonged fast and/or repetitive (like the once a week habit I recommend).

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Re: Liver pain after fasting 07 Nov 2010 04:05 #5329

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Hi André,
Thanks for your prompt reply and your advice. I will take into account all your suggestions.

Cheers,

M
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