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06 Aug 2007 19:57 #137 by chaos
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hi Everyone!

I have decided that a water fast would be very healthy for me. I've been having some intestinal issues and am hoping that this fast will help with that. Plus, when the 3 days is done I'm going to slowly add in foods.

I want to work towards eating & being more healthy.

I'm preparing for this fast, currently, by eating less each day. I will start at midnight on August 8th.

Does anyone have any suggestions for me during this preparation time?

Thank you!!

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16 Aug 2007 05:32 #140 by TheFastDoctor
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Hi there and I wish you best luck with your endeavour.

Regarding \"preaparation\" for the fast: I have found that eating less and less tends to induce a bit of \"panick\" in your metabolic system. It's as if your body gets the message that food's becoming progressively scarce, and in response the metabolism rate is slowed down.

After years of experimenting, I have started advising all my fasting patients to have a relatively large meal before the fast, and this meal should be dominated by FAT. (Oils, cream, egg yolk or even animal fat for the non-vegetarians).

THe rationale is twofold:
(1) Your body gets the \"message\" that the fast is NOT due to lack of food, but a conscious decision. Therefore, there's no need to \"hang on\" to everything, and the metabolism rate need not be reduced.

(2) If the last meal or 2 before the fast is dominated by fats, you enter the fast on a fat-based metabolism, therefore your body is already able to (re)mobilize fats. This protects the muscles from breakdown. If you were on carbohydrates (eg. fruit/fruit juices,etc.) then once the liver glycogen (a storage form of carbohydrate) is used up, the body will likely use proteins. Proteins are, after all practically the same as carbohydrates, only with added nitrogen and upon breakdown returns to being carbohydrate.

Worst case scenario of course is the ill-advised high protein diet, which \"teaches\" your body that protein is a fuel.. then all your muscles, organs, etc, comes into the firing line for breakdown once the glycogen is consumed.

Best wishes..

André

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14 Dec 2008 20:49 #1463 by zinfandel
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These last couple paragraphs are amazing. I love learning new things, especially about health. This is great!

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15 Dec 2008 06:31 #1465 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for the compliment..

Do remember that detox consists of 2 parts: Mobilization and Elimination. Fasting is the best (perhaps only!) way of mobilizing toxins from the cells but then these are still in the tissue fluid. That's why we practically always do "active" rather than "passive" fasting: Combine fasting with the cycle of Hydrotherapies to flush the mobilized toxins out. I have describe this several times on various forums. You can do this in any good health resort, even a spa, but may just as well be done at home with a bit of innovation..

Have a great fast.

André

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27 Mar 2009 22:57 #3145 by Sadasius
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I learned a great deal from just these couple of posts. I tried the Atkins diet before and lost a lot of muscle. So I am wondering....As a last meal perhaps eat about 20 egg yolks before the fast to get the body rolling. Eggs is definitely one thing I am so damn used to eating. But I guess this time it's the reverse and throw out the egg white instead. Going to have to unlearn what I have learned to learn again. Thanks for this info Doc.

Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

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28 Mar 2009 03:35 #3150 by TheFastDoctor
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When I met dr Atkins in New York in the previous century, we had to agree to disagree.. well, I'm still around, for what it's worth.

Yes the idea of a few egg yolks to kickstart the fast is one I have used to get my own cholesterol down from 6.5 mmol/l to 4.5. And in some of my patients, even more so. Men tend to respond better than women (they, of course, tend not to follow rules of physiology enyway!)

BUT: you DON'T need 20.. 2 is adequate. The idea is just that your diet is DOMINATED by fat (inclding cholesterol) by the time you enter the fast. After all, you don't use a whole box of matches to light a fire!

Avoiding protein for at least a day before the fast would also help to keep your muscles "out of the firing line" during the fasting process. Incidentally, I just read an article

mp.medscape.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/hCE5K0UUnA...KCm80Eu&uac=113724HK

linking red meat to increased mortality. I'm remaining vegetarian, using eggs only for the weekly stimulus of cholesterol breakdown..

André

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28 Mar 2009 04:09 #3153 by Sadasius
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Okay not 20...:laugh: Just so used to eating in large quantities to keep muscles happy. Thanks again for the info.

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15 Dec 2009 15:25 #4199 by dost
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Hi everyone.

I attempt to fast every week for 36 hours at a stretch - on water/decafeinated herb tea. Before I break my fast on a Friday morning, I see that my tongue is very white. An ayurvediuc doctor told me it is the toxkins. How do I break my fast? What kind of food do I take for the rest of the day?

I cannot imagine long water fasts lasting several days in the life of a householder. I do not have the courage.

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20 Dec 2009 18:42 #4204 by TheFastDoctor
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When you fast "on herb tea" I would not really consider it a fast, Dost.. OK, I am in some people's opinion a bit extreme but the philosophy is that, if your taste organs "report" any TASTE to the brain, the brain believes you are eating, and will thus not fully activate the fasting metabolism. Thus in the school of thought I follow, even a herb tea during a "Fast" turns this into a "diet".

The fast is best broken with a very simple food such as a diluted fruit juice. It is best to stick o simple foods (preferably the same one) for a few meals after the fast as this keeps the digestive system "focused". Only once the energy needs of your system is satisfied by carbohydrate should you eat protein.

If, however, your body gives you "feedback" in the form of a "craving" differently from this generic advice, it is better to do what the body asks. To determine if a craving represents a true biofeedback based on internal analysis, it has to be
* Spontaneous (Not triggered by outside cues)
* Persistent (over several "mealtimes") and
* For ONE, specific, unprocessed NATURAL food with nothing added. (Anythin added might give the system "pirate" biofeedback.)

Once you are past the 3rd day of a fast, and you have been doing regular cycles of elimination activities (see 5-step detox guidelines) your energy levels typically increase and you can indeed do more than normal.. such as maintaining a household. But don't force yourself into that, it will happen one day when you are ready.

Best wishes Dost1

André

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21 Dec 2009 03:11 #4206 by Meditating
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Fast Doctor:

I am cutting my meat consumption back to maybe 1-2 meals monthly. This is so hard when you have been an avid meat eater for 50 years. I am also trying to eliminate dairy (unless I can find a reliable source for raw, goat's milk) and I am not opposed to eating fresh, unadulterated eggs (also difficult to find).

So, what is the best way to kick off a fast with a fat-laden meal from a strictly vegetarian standpoint? I can only think of avocados, which I adore, and oils. Anything else that would qualify?

Meditating

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21 Dec 2009 22:17 #4207 by TheFastDoctor
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Yes indeed dear Meditating, this is a rather difficult need to satisfy. We typically consider fats to be solids, whereas vegetable fats are actually oils. Since I typically wish to lose cholesterol during a fast, I tend to eat cholesterol before a fast.. and this would then include dairy (cream) and egg (yolk).

If you prefer staying vegan, avocado and various oils are your only real option. You can of course "solidify" it into something chew-able rather than just drink-able by making mixtures with starchy substances, such as drenching a slice of wholegrain bread in oil...

But let's hope some members with more knowledge of nutrition comes up with even better ideas.

André

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