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10 Aug 2012 20:29 #11834 by Squazypants
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Any one try coffee enema? I heard great things about it but have not tryed it.. Im dry fasting and not sure if i should switch to water fasting after I do it or just not to it at all until Im dont fasting.

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10 Aug 2012 22:08 #11837 by david
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Hello Sqazypants. Most natural hygienists would not recommend any enema. The fasting is already a very powerful way to detox.

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10 Aug 2012 23:04 #11838 by Squazypants
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Hi David!!
I was reading that cancer patients do it and did wonders I have never done anything like this before. From my research it sounds really health benefical.. thanks for your answer!!!! I am going to keep researching the pros and cons

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11 Aug 2012 17:36 #11846 by TheFastDoctor
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And just to be against the current again: I do NOT recommend enemas in any human other than one that has an obstruction from impacted colon material. And definitely not an irritant/vasoconstrictor like coffee! Your colon works from top to bottom, and anything inserted "upstream" can upset a very delicate SEQUENCE of substance and micro-life in the colon.

During the roasting process, some carcinogens forms in coffee. How this would help "with cancer" I can definitely not envisage.

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11 Aug 2012 18:07 #11847 by david
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There is an article published on the Fasting Connection Article section on the use of coffee enemas. I am grateful for this thread as the article is very pro coffee enemas and I am pleased to be able to append the previous post to the article to round it off a little. You might be interested to read it Doctor just in case there something else you would like to add.

www.fastingconnection.com/articles-on-fa...al/200-coffee-enemas

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11 Aug 2012 19:32 #11850 by TheFastDoctor
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Do read also
www.ineedcoffee.com/07/enemadanger/
and
www.healthguidance.org/entry/12246/1/Dan...of-Coffee-Enema.html

Fasting is a NATURAL way to cure. Sticking tubes the wrong way up a one-way-movement organ is seriously unnatural. Only humans have this pre-occupation with the exit end of the digestive tract. For me, it flies in the face of logic.

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11 Aug 2012 20:15 #11851 by Squazypants
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I do agree with that common sense, Doc.!! However the post David put up was one of the articles I read that was very convincing. It made it sound like a miracle detox for your liver. Sounds like if one were to get an enema to use organic coffee for sure for the pesticides could be dangerous.. and the heart palpitations don't sound fun either.. Thanks for the replies!!.. So not only is it not the best thing to do with a regular diet, Im going to say its even worse if done on a dry fast.

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12 Aug 2012 05:50 #11854 by Shant
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Doctor, is hydro colon therapy the same bad or better bad? I'm asking because I was looking into this topic yesterday and was wondering if it is helpful to ease fasting.

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12 Aug 2012 08:18 #11856 by david
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I think you will find that his logic and that of other natural hygienists applies to any substance going up the wrong end of the tube. John Fielder says the same. I think the great exception to the rule was Dr Norman Walker who did a daily enema or thereabouts and also lived to a very ripe old age but don't get me wrong I am not saying there is a connection between his enemas and his age. There is a yogic technique called shankhaprakshalana which I have tried a few times many moons ago. It involves drinking 6 cups of warm salty water in quick succession and then doing a series of exercises to ease the water down the colon. It works a treat however the downside is the added salt and also the fact that you can easily strip your colon of the beneficial mucus lining and end up with all manor of problems unless you eat the right foods for a week afterwards.

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12 Aug 2012 12:03 #11858 by TheFastDoctor
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The fact that there's controversy does suggest that it is not a clear cut issue. We can better a bit on the salty water by using non-absorbable organic salts but I still prefer to leave this delicate ecosystem undisturbed where possible. If you look at the "track record" of humanity around us.. wherever we meddle with the natural ways it tends to end up a mess. Nature is rather resilient, however, so very often it survives in spite of what we do to it. That does not, however, mean that what we did was in the best interest of health.

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04 May 2013 22:02 #16538 by liberator
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Hi. I have done 10 coffee enemas and I can tell you that it is sorting out my psoriosis I feel great.
Stan

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04 May 2013 22:52 - 04 May 2013 23:05 #16539 by ilovefasting
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Hi,
This is a nice subject. I can contribute some personal experience and concerns around enemas... Years ago I went to a retreat where I did a 75 day juice fast stop for a month, ate raw vegan, then back to a 50 day juice/water fast... It did involved 2 enemas a day, (water or wheatgrass). The point of the enemas where to "feel" better from the detox effects. When things went little tough then we had the hydro (machine) to push water, (scary) but I did it as well.... I was then, allowing the retreat to guide me, I had no-experience on all these matters.

In deed, you do feel better after the enemas. Yet, I notice that if I bounce (jump-exercise) and do my sauna, brush my skin, drink my water... the side effects also where gone. As I said, I never knew until now being here that those elements where actually a 5 step cycle that made the side effect and toxins fly by...

My input here, is more on the "mental" side. I develop the idea that "something" outside of myself is needed for my body to be well. They even advice me, that once you are back in the real world, eating normal (witch they never tell you about fasting again), to do a weekly enema. So there you are on a friday, feeling BIG because you overeat and then you go and jump into doing an enema, it become a mental-wiring, that after an enema, you feel definitely feel good, more energy and potentially thinking the Poo is out/your food/toxins are out...

I worry about that after a while, it's an immediate boost of energy, of eradicating your BIG LOAD of what you eat, so without noticing it, you 'THINK' you have a solution, when you are being "less" responsable of the amount of food you ate, quality etc...Never do people talk about the "dependancy" to enemas, I looked online, all I notice (back then, like 10 years ago) that the models before doing a show, they do their enemas to look leaner, I keep wondering (until now) if they develop this connection, and feel somehow that natural "high" that we get with we are more clean...

20 years ago I used drugs for a couple of years, (cocaine), I became very aware of things that boost my energy from external things after I quit the drugs, whatever they might be. So what I am expresing here, it's a little uplifting of energy, yet, it's enough to start develop a bond with it, where you are not addressing the issue (in my case-of course) of overeating, or simply not fasting during the week to clean my own self. I notice I was realying on the enema. I even start thinking, oh..! well I will do an enema if I feel bad after eating this huge meal...

In no way I don't deny I saw people getting better at the retreat of skin problems, I was only sharing some side of the story that people might not talk about, in case people haven't "master" their relationship with food, and haven't found a way to feel uplifted/energetic with natural ways...

Eventually you just notice it's not doing something permanent/natural and put it in the trash... and start looking for more permanent real things and natural to yourself...

liberator: I am happy the psoriasis is gone, I guess all I wanted to share was the "mental/emotiona" thing I develop...

thanks

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05 May 2013 06:43 #16549 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear, dear Liberator, thank you for the post. You could consider, however, that you might have done even better without adding the toxic mix to your poor gut.

I have collected a few links to scientific studies in this respect:

www.ebm-first.com/colonic-irrigation.html
forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=8923
www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/aug...irrigation-dangerous
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_cleansing
www.gastroendonews.com/ViewArticle.aspx?...&i_id=794&a_id=19875
your-doctor.com/patient_info/alternative...ests_tx/colonic.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-20209...nas-fad-bad-you.html
www.worldwidehealth.com/health-article-E...o-Afraid-to-Ask.html
www.chirobase.org/06DD/gastro.html
www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cleansing/AN00065
www.ncahf.org/pp/colonic.html
www.metro.co.uk/news/870983-colonic-irri...ure-research-reveals
esciencenews.com/articles/2011/08/01/doc...g.vomiting.and.death
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3351397
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110801122948.htm
www.livescience.com/15912-colon-cleansin...eless-dangerous.html
fightcolorectalcancer.org/research_news/...seless_but_dangerous
ibs.about.com/od/diagnosisofibs/a/colonicsafety.htm
www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cleansing/AN00065
www.ncahf.org/pp/colonic.html
www.metro.co.uk/news/870983-colonic-irri...ure-research-reveals
esciencenews.com/articles/2011/08/01/doc...g.vomiting.and.death
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3351397
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110801122948.htm
www.livescience.com/15912-colon-cleansin...eless-dangerous.html
fightcolorectalcancer.org/research_news/...seless_but_dangerous
ibs.about.com/od/diagnosisofibs/a/colonicsafety.htm

... and I am quite certain in my mind you would have done a LOT better without the enemas. IF a flush is needed (which is seldom) it is best done from top to bottom, not from bottom to top..

André

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05 May 2013 08:47 - 05 May 2013 08:49 #16550 by ilovefasting
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wow, I re-read my NOVEL (lol), sorry to all the readers, I will pay more attention to be more concise, ... but if someone out there enjoys too much enemas, look out... :cheer:

DOC

Reading in one of your links (thanks for sharing) that the balance of the intestine after enemas is disturbed, does the "movement" of the intestine can stop having it's usual mobility as well? develop some IBS (irritable bowel syndrom)? become more LAZY.

With proper intermittent fasting, have you seen improvements on the mobility of intestine after a while?

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05 May 2013 09:46 #16551 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed dear iLove, having the gut rest regularly works a lot better than forcing it to work.. the boot and the carrot kind of thing you know...

Besides for the few cases of perforation of the colon, there's been a lot of other complications of shunting something up the gut.. a gut that is polarized to work downwards. Several people have had to have their colons removed after too much laxative, particularly the senna type. I believe coffee works in somewhat the same way, irritating the colon to forcefully expel its content.

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07 May 2013 15:09 #16590 by kaypeeoh
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How long before someone extolls the virtue of urine enemas?

kpo

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07 May 2013 17:32 #16595 by TheFastDoctor
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Nice joke Kaypeeoh.. it's rather impressive what people will put into their bodies.. but as for "urine therapy" (Some people actually drink the stuff!) my philosophy is very simple: If it was good for you, your body would not have gone to such extremes to get rid of it!

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