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Use of Enema While Water Fasting

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11 May 2011 21:14 #6887 by Milena
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While reading some information on dry fasting on Dr. Filonov's website I came accross his explanation and position on use of enema during water fast. During the dry fast enemas are prohibited.

I looked for a forum topic to post it, but surprisingly could not find anything dedicated to this subject, even though I find it quite importnat. So here it is, and here's an excerpt from an article written by Dr. Filonov.

"Enemas.

Human feces continue to form during the whole duration of the fast, weather it's 5 days or 50 days. Becasue those cells from our body that must be utilized, are delivered to our stomach (spontaneous secretion), and then get digested the usual way. But enemas don't only remove feces. Water enters trough the intestinal walls, and toxins get thrown into intestin us well, that have to be removed. That's why after enema the general condition usually obviously improves. But it is not recommended to have it more then once a day. Only in the presence of severe headaches, bad condition can an additional enema be administered. Importantly to mention that the amound of water for the edema during the fast is usually decreased, especially if the interstinal tract was well cleaned in advance. Enemas are performed daily, usually, in the morning or in the evening, and only discontinued with the break of fast."

I personally had daily enemas while on the 30 day water portion of my combined 40 day fast. I only missed one day and it made a huge difference in how I felt.

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11 May 2011 21:38 #6892 by McDermott
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What I usually do is cut out alcohol (yes I drink) 1-2 weeks before I begin. Drink more water & green tea. Slowly curb my food intake. Then the evening of my 1st day I give myself an enema. It gives me sort of a kick start. One of these days I'm going to splurge & get a colonic. Then I do one on my last day. I feel so much lighter after that. Enemas are a bit dangerous only if you clean out too much of the good bacteria. Yoghurt is one of the 1st things I go for when I break my fast.

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11 May 2011 21:54 #6894 by Milena
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I don't know the size of the enema you use. I buy commercial disposable enemas which are no more then 100 - 150 ml in valume. They can hardly wash anything out except for stimulating your body to have a bowel movement.

I did have colonic before I started my 40-day fast. During my dry fast I had several bowel movements on my own and while water fasting I had daily enemas with several substantial bowel movements through out the duration of the fast. I know there are different opinions on enemas, however with me having strong elimination system and normally having at least two bowel movements per day without any laxative help, I do support the believe that you have to help your body get rid off waste when it needs help.

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11 May 2011 22:21 #6897 by McDermott
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Oh, my. Would that I had such a strong system. I'm truly in awe. I use about a litre to help me stimulate a bowel movement. I sometimes get 2. I've read this isn't enough to wash out good bacteria but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I don't know if weight comes in to play w/ this. This fast I got so excited when I passed gas coz I thought I had another one coming. Excited as a school boy trying to win a bet.

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11 May 2011 22:39 #6898 by Milena
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See, there is a huge difference between 2 litre and 150 ml. The small amoutn hardly reaches anywhere to wash out anything, but for me it works enough to make me go within few minutes...:) Here's a good link about enemas with infornation provided by Dr. Ela Gold in Australia:

www.enemainfo.com/faq.html

They do mention that it is ok to use up to 2 litres. However, this info is for eating people not fasting, hence when you fast using the kind I buy in the store should be totally enough.

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12 May 2011 14:13 #6912 by TheFastDoctor
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Dr Filonov's explanation as quoted here does really call for a bit of a stretch of the imagination... not that it's a bad thing. But after evaluating all these arguments I am more than ever convinced that I will not expose my or my patients' bodies to enemas other than to relieve physical obstruction and only if the natural route (via the mouth) fails.

André

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12 May 2011 21:27 #6921 by Milena
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The fact that while fasting the body continues to produce fecal matter as well as contains pre-fasting fecal matter are scientific facts. While the amount of fasting feces produced daily is not very significan, over time if someone fasts for 40 days is does add up and can cause impacted stool, a more then unpleasant condition where solid stool accumulates in the rectum and large intestine, hardening and making a normal bowel movement difficult.

According to Dr. Timothy Moore, Ph.D., N.M.D., C.N. irregular bowel movements and accumulation of fecal matter can cause health-related problems such as pimples, unexplained rashes, headaches, achy joints, hair loss and irritability partially due to toxins that build up in the intestines.

Of course if someone fasts for a couple of days, that should not be much of an issue, but if one is fasting for a long time, that is another story.

I don't know what is an average length of fast for your patients but it is obviously up to you if you want to expose their bodies to accumulation of fecal matter while they fast.

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20 May 2011 05:21 #7048 by howard
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I am on my 11th day of a water fast. I started at 125 lbs and am now at 112. I am vegan and live fairly clean and have done fast in the past. I did my fourth enema today, since the fast started, and the mucus I am well aware of, though this time I had some quite bloody mucus. Has anyone else experienced this, I have not found much useful information on it and I really do not want to quit this fast. MY intention is 30 days or until my body has had enough, and depending on the weight loss, 105, 100, 95, I am not sure of where I can go with that. Anyway, quite bloody. I really want to chalk this up to the cleaning process. Ideas?

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20 May 2011 07:41 #7049 by Milena
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Dear howard,


How tall are you? The reason I am asking is because your current weight is pretty low. At 112 lbs you'd have to be no taller then about about 5'3" to not be underweight. Even then dropping lower would put you in an underweight category. Which would mean that any weight loss beyond that point would initiate a starvation and not fasting. What is the reason you are fasting if I may ask?

In addition, the fact that you are a vegan is awesome, however coupled with your low weight, it could be problematic for long fasting. In general people who consume vegan diet can be missing several important nutrients, unless they are taking supplements to compensate for deficiencies. Since during the fast we live exclusively off of the nutrients stored in our body, not having enough will lead to malnutrition. The longer you fast the worst it can get. In the case like yours I would first have a blood test done, to be sure that I am not subjecting myself to danger before embarking on a long fast. In fact if you decide to continue fasting I would get one done right away. Last thing you want is to pay a heavy price later.

Now back to the topic, I've had mucus once in my last fast and it had a very small amount of bright red blood with it, which most likely was caused by a small cut or fissure from a hard bowel movement, since my stool was pretty dry. It was the time when I skipped one day in my daily enemas. So if it only happens ones or twice and only tiny amounts I would probably not be very concerned, but if it becomes a regular occurrence I would see a doctor.

Hope that helps.

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20 May 2011 09:27 #7050 by howard
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Thank you for your reply. That was what I was thinking, but will keep an eye on it. I am about 5' 3.5", I'm a shorty. I do have, I am sure, a good ten pounds of fat left on me, excess fat. My idea is to drop to about 5 pounds underweight, because even with proper maintenance I will still put a few pounds back on, and from thereI intend to rebuild a healthy body. I am also 35 years old and feel this is a good time to get it all straight for the long term. I am only about a 50% raw vegan, but intend to resume at at least 75% raw so I believe my nutrition will be well balanced. This fast is for that reason and I am undergoing quite a lot of change, relocation, new job... and at this point I have the 30 days with no work to accomplish this. In the past I have been good at listening to my body and breaking, sometimes sooner than I like. I think one more week should be no problem and I will take it from there. again thanks for your response.

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20 May 2011 19:17 #7052 by Milena
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You are very welcome. I am glad you are very mindful of how your body feel. I totally understand the concept of being a little under weight to allow for fluctuation. I am kind of aiming for the same thing with my personal weight goals, although at my age, I am 42, I have to be careful of being too thin because in that case skin will start to reveal my age...:)

Please keep us posted and blog if you can. It is the best way to stay in touch with other and learn from each other.

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