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Theories of Obesity is fasting always the answer?

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27 Feb 2013 11:11 #15513 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Theories of Obesity is fasting always the answer?
Indeed it may deserve the top spot dear David, and I will contribute the Western Scientific model:

Fat = Energy in - Energy out.

This model is based on the indisputable fact that we cannot create nor destroy energy and we can convert matter to energy only in a nuclear reaction. In no other sense can we create nor destroy matter either.

Now there may be many, many theories as to WHY people take in more energy than they use, or use less energy than they take in. Many of these, if not most, is psychological. And fasting is the best single intervention in changing people's relationships with their bodies.

André

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28 Feb 2013 01:43 #15527 by david
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Thank you Doctor as you rightly point out from the Western perspective Fat is created when more energy goes in than comes out. People who eat like a horse and stay thin must spend that energy through heat or some other form of energy exchange or they would defy the laws of thermodynamics. The Traditional Chinese Medicine states that the spleen is a form of nuclear reactor where matter presumably entering the organs of digestion can combust into what they interpret as a 'stepped up' form of energy. There are as yet no scientific instruments to test or quantify Qi energy that I am aware of however as I understand it, physical matter such as food consumed can turn into potential energy measured in fat calories or Watt energy consumed on the fly and from a TCM perspective also Qi energy with a type of cold fission taking place in the spleen. Now all we need is a Traditional Chinese Doctor to step in and explain how exactly this fuzzy fission works.

A comparison of the spleen between Chinese and Western medicine

www.planetherbs.com/theory/a-comparison-...stern-medicines.html

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28 Feb 2013 06:23 #15529 by TheFastDoctor
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"Eat like a horse" as you rightly point out David: Ever seen a really fat horse? Some 40% of what a horse eat is not digested/absorbed, which is why their dung is so nutritious. Many people also do not absorb all they eat thus when I refer to energy in-energy out, it does refer to energy really absorbed into the body, not necessarily just what passes into the mouth.

Thanx for the link.

André

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02 Mar 2013 07:45 - 04 Jan 2014 18:10 #15542 by Stu L
Stu L replied the topic: Theories of Obesity is fasting always the answer?
I think in a lot of cases fasting is the means to address these possible problems you mention, toxins encapsulated in fat, well it is not doing you any good even if it is encapsulated, so its better to eliminate them but slowly.
Our bodies have been programmed to prepare for famine over millions of years, so will nearly always cause fat if given a chance.
too much salt, well fasting will put that right.
I do not believe in modern harmful electro-magnetic problems I worked for 35 yrs in different power stations under the most intense conditions possible, I have seen unplugged flouorescent tubes glowing. and had no problems.
Cosmic rays, well because of a modern solar maximum we have just come through, for the last 50 yrs cosmic rays have been at a very low level.
I have found generally fat people suffer more stress an emotional problems, when they slim down they have more energy, more optimism, less stressed.
Yes we do not get enough exercise, but we can fix that, fasting and exercise can be done together, I do it to keep my mind of food.
I dont have the knowledge to talk about viral, hormonal problems.
Yes modern food is a huge problem, that is why I fasted to get rid of all the junk, and when I broke my fast, started to eat as healthy as I could,
P.s. it took several fasts to put me right.

David wrote: Here are a list of theories I have come across relating to why the body puts on excessive weight. If any of these theories carry water then it begs the question whether one ought err on the side of caution before undertaking fasting as an option to shed the pounds. Why? because the body is after all a very intelligent self regulating mechanism and if obesity is triggered by a cause which is something other than simply over eating then it is probable that after a fast the body will return to its former weight. And there are numerous examples on this site which pay testament to that.

1. Too much salt in diet causes body's water retention to increase, serving as a buffer for what is in fact quite a toxic mineral when taken in quantities in excess of the RDA

2. Same as no.1 but replace salt with toxins. Toxins are surrounded by fat cells to isolate them from causing harm. If you have taken in lots of toxins your fat tissue could be a protective layer protecting your vital organs from these toxins. The body's way of handling them is to isolate them in a layer of fat.

3. Fat acts as a buffer against environmental electromagnetism also known as electrosmog which is currently in higher doses than we as humans have ever experienced.

Magnetosensory cells have been identified in fish, and similar cells are known to exist in pigeons, rabbits and rats.
They may even exist in humans:
www.naturalnews.com/036440_magnetosensor...lectro-smog_EMF.html

4. From a psychological perspective: The body unconsciously increases the water retention mechanism as an buffer for people who suffer from high emotional sensitivity and stess. The excess water or body fat acts as a protective pillow. I have found this explanation given by various health care professionals involved in psychosomatic healing.

5. Eating more food/calories than the body is able to burn off causes the body to store the excess as body fat. The problem with this theory is that people on a 100% raw food diet don't usually put on extra body fat even if they over indulge.

6. Not drinking enough water or eating foods with a high water content resulting in the body forcing water retention to maintain homeostasis.

7. Not enough physical activity. Modern day man/woman have become excessively passive especially with the advent of computers. This translates as doing a lot less physical activities than we used to do even half a century ago.

8. From a metaphysical perspective some healers claim that due to much increased cosmic energy or radiation entering our solar system at this point in time is causing the body to react by weight gain either by water retention or excess body fat. It is implied that the body simply can't handle the stepping up of this energy unless one's consciousness is ready resulting in the body reacting to it by adding an extra protective layer.

9. Viral connection to obesity: Leah D. Whigham, lead researcher at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, has discovered that human adenoviruses play a role in obesity.
scienceblog.com/9901/contagious-obesity-...hat-may-make-us-fat/

10. Hormonal imbalance usually related to issues with the thyroid.

11. Starch addiction another possible cause

12. Depleted soil results in less essential minerals in the food that we consume resulting in feeling an urge to eat more and more to try to top up the body's stock of trace elements such as magnesium, manganese etc and some of the rarer elements too: gold, silver, platinum etc. The effects of mono farming and not allowing the land to rest inevitably leads to impoverished soils. Also some land may simply not be very rich in trace minerals. Soil in the vicinity of volcanoes are said to be among the most fertile, containing high amounts of copper, iron, cobalt, manganese and selenium and silica.

13. Four Weeks of Fizzy Drinks can give you Heart Disease
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Sweet fizzy colas and sports drinks could be lethal – even if you
drink just two cans a week. The drinks could be a direct cause of
weight gain, heart disease, liver failure, high blood pressure and
diabetes, a new study has discovered.

The effects happen in people who drink a can every day, or even just
two cans a week. After a very short time – and often within a month

their metabolism changes, making any of the life-threatening diseases
more likely.

Although it's not news that sugary drinks are bad for us, the extent
of the damage they can cause, and over a very short time, has shocked
researchers who tested the drinks on 11 healthy and lean volunteers

After just four weeks' regular consumption, their whole metabolism
had
altered. They had put on weight and their insulin resistance had
increased, often a precursor of diabetes and heart disease.

(Source: European Journal of Nutrition, 2012; doi:
10.1007/s00394-012-0401-x)

14. We live in an unnatural world, we have far, far too much nutrients in our diet and therefore we struggle to get rid of excess body weight or old tissues. That might be a reason to change our natural instinct so as to prevent complete digestion and absorption. (The Fast Doctor)

15. MSG (monosodiumglutomate or E621) causes mice to get fat very quickly and MSG is believed to have a similar effect in humans and is in many many processed foods.

16. From a Traditional Chinese Medicine perspective weight issues are linked to the spleen. When the spleen fails to transform food to Chi it gets processed into fat. For an in depth article on the theory please read this article:

www.yinyanghouse.com/practitioner_member...ent-chinese-medicine


17. Weight gain after the age of 50 according to The Fast Doctor: "People's tendency to gain weight after 50 is at least partly due to the toxins in the fat, plus new toxins forming, which needs a place in the fat.."

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02 Mar 2013 22:01 #15545 by david
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I have found generally fat people suffer more stress an emotional problems, when they slim down they have more energy, more optimism, less stressed.


Thank you Stu L very much appreciate your input and I do concur with the above.

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03 Mar 2013 17:00 #15562 by TheFastDoctor
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Do bear in mind the emotional issue may be and most likely are part of a vicious cycle: Overeating due to stress, causing obesity which makes you stressed, for which you overeat again...

The natural response to stress is fasting. Watch your cat, your dog, your horse or your baby: They stop eating when stressed. We as parents know they'll eat if not stressed so we make them eat and then believe their eating implies they are not stressed! We destroy natural feedback, then wonder why we're such an ill species.

Andree

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25 Jan 2014 19:22 #19725 by Lux
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There is a good reason that people on a raw food diet can eat huge amounts of food and do not gain weight. The raw foods are usually not meat, a food with poor nutrient value. Remember that there is almost twice the protein in a hundred calories of broccoli than there is in a hundred calories of beef steak. The problem is one of calorie density. You can STUFF yourself with vast quantities of high nutrient density foods such as kale, bok choy, lettuce, and other green vegetables. Add a serving of no fat beans, throw in some fruit, and a handful of some seeds and nuts and you have a balanced, high nutrient density, low calorie meal. You can gorge on this and any excess calories will get dumped as heat.

On the flip side, a burger, fries, and sugary soft drink is high in calories, but actually very low in nutrients. The simple sugars light up the bodies insulin factory and send signals to store the food as fat. The energy necessary to store the ready made fat is almost nothing and nearly 100% is stored in some cases. Biopsy samples of fat show in lab tests the exact origin of the fat such as lard, tallow, or olive oil. The fat is stored with almost no change. Along with insulin other hormones are stimulated in the process. Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 or IGF-1 is a hormone necessary for growth. Without it, the result is Laron type dwarfism. Those who suffer from it, are not sensitive to it. The result is they are resistant to diabetes and NEVER get cancer. They are also dwarves. It is great to have plenty of IGF-1 as a child so you can grow up, but as an adult, assaulting the body with vast amounts of calories in the form of fats and sugars causes the body to produce huge amounts of IGF-1 as an adult. The result is obesity, cancer, and heart disease, the great killer trio of the modern age. Eating a diet based on "beans and greens" with a few fruits, nuts, and seeds thrown in and NO processed food, allows the body to be flooded with nutrients, but very little calories. IGF-1 levels quickly subside to levels appropriate to healthy adults and the body quickly sheds the unwanted weights. As IGF-1 levels fall, the risk of cancer drops sharply.

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20 Mar 2014 18:33 #21011 by nygfan
nygfan replied the topic: Theories of Obesity is fasting always the answer?
Doctor, I would not say I "crave" junk food. It's very easy, in fact, for me to eat an exceptionally healthy plant-based diet during the week. But for social reasons, I would be more likely to eat a meal or two that might not be quite as healthy on Saturdays and Sundays, and I do like a few glasses of wine on the weekends. What would be the best long-term fasting strategy to offset any of the less than ideal foods I might be consuming during that time? A 48 hour fast on Mondays and Tuesdays? A few 24 hour fasts throughout the week? There is so much conflicting information out there about what's optimal. (Currently on day five of my intended 21 day fast, and feeling great!)

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