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30 Jul 2012 17:25 #11577 by CphBel
CphBel created the topic: Is this a realistic weightloss goal?
Hey,

The last 3 days I've only eaten food to prepair for my WF.
My goal is about 10 days, since I'll start school the August 13th.
I am doing the WF to stengthen my selfdiscipline but also to loose a weight.

I am 5'7'' and currently 150 lbs.
My goal is 132 lbs ..

Is that possible?

After the fast I plan to do only grapes for a couple of days.

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30 Jul 2012 23:40 #11579 by david
david replied the topic: Re: Is this a realistic weightloss goal?
Hi CphBel, we have never really promoted weight loss on this site as such even though it is supposedly the fastest way to shed excess body fat. However I would recommend Intermittent Fasting as a long term solution to weight management. It takes a little longer to achieve your target weight but in the long run it will serve you perhaps better than a fast for weight loss imo. The fast for weight loss approach may cause a psychological whiplash where your body will attempt to make up for lost food especially if you are a comfort eater. And then back to square one again. I am not saying that this will happen to you but having managed this site for several years I have come to notice certain patterns. This doesn't necessarily apply to the detox approach to a short fast.

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31 Jul 2012 06:14 #11580 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear CphBel, just how do you eat in preparation for the fast? Remember that the last meal or 2 should be what you wish to lose during the fast: In your case, fat. A fatty meal or 2 would "guide" your metabolism towards fat during the fast itself.

Very good idea to go on a mono-fruit diet after the fast. Thereafter a variety of fruit, then raw for another few days would be good.

I agree with David that fasting is not about weight loss in the first place. But some recent research has found that the quicker you lose weight, the better you keep it off (contrary to previous advice to lose slowly). Maintaining a good diet after the fast is so important, you should consider the one fasting day per week approach to "reboot" your self control on a regular basis.

André

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31 Jul 2012 12:59 #11584 by CphBel
CphBel replied the topic: Re: Is this a realistic weightloss goal?
Thank you both.

Can you please explain to me why it is recommendable for the last couple of meals to be 'fatty'?
I've done a bit of research about water fast for quite some time - Ehret and more - and I've never heard that before. This is not meant in a bad tone, I am just curious.

And thank you for the hint on fasting a day a week.. that's a great advice which I'll take into practice after the fast!

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31 Jul 2012 14:50 #11588 by TheFastDoctor
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This is the result of several years' research, particularly into people with high cholesterol. The last meal before the fast determines the metabolism that is active upon entering the fast. If you had meat (muscles) your body is busy digesting muscles as you run out of blood sugar, so it will most likely revert to continue using muscles.. but this time your own. If your body was busy metabolizing fat when you run out of food energy, it is ready to convert your own fat to energy.

I have explained this several times in these forums in more detail.. please read further back in some of them.

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31 Jul 2012 15:16 #11589 by superhuman
superhuman replied the topic: Re: Is this a realistic weightloss goal?
Had a really fatty and also carbs day to prepare for my 12 day active water fast. My last meal was
coconut oil with pure butter so thats animal fat and some avocado.

Really cool to hear that the quicker you loose the weight the better.

Was wondering about your clients Andre, whats the most your clients have lost in terms of weight/fat during say 7 days or 14 days etc or how many days they fasted.

Thanx :D

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31 Jul 2012 15:26 #11590 by david
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Here are more complete answers on this topic which has been elaborated on before.

"If you fast again before 6 days the enzymes are still active. That’s the whole point of intermittent fasting, so would the fatty meal make a difference? " (member Gaba.gal)

Answer:

The fatty meal
(1) "turbocharges" (more highly activate) fat digestive enzymes in anticipation of having to supply considerably more energy that it did during the eating days;
(2) Suppress the anabolic enzymes (those breaking down carbohydrate and its derivative, Protein), thus protects protein (muscle, organs).
(3) Reduce the pressure on the liver to manufacture cholesterol. Bear in mind that there are several types of fat: Aliphatics like triglycerides and aromatics like cholesterol. If you NEVER eat fat, then you will stimulate fat production. By having fat just before you start burning it, you keep the pruduction rates low.
(4) We naturally crave fats: They are high in energy, thus helped our genetic ancestors survive famine. By giving ourselves no opportunity in which it is "allowed" could create unbearable stress.
(5) The small boost in blood fat from the diet "opens a door" in the fat cell (to get in).. with this "door open", the fat inside gets out more easily. And with it, some of the fat soluble toxins in the cell. This enhances the detoxification process.

So yes if your next fast is say 6 days from the previous, the "switch" is more of a "revving up" than a "re-start" and you might argue that the fatty meal is not essential. And indeed yes it is not essential.. But it still holds a few benefits.

André (The Fast Doctor)
I wish to reiterate that a juice diet is not a fast. Your stomach cannot distinguish fruit chewed by your teeth from fruit chewed by a machine. The main problem with entering a fast from a fruit diet is that your metabolism will be carbohydrate based, which puts your proteins in the "firing line" when you enter a real fast. That is because proteins are easily converted back to carbohydrate (they are after all made from carbohydrates).. and this release Nitrogen in the form of ammonia. If you are not used to regular fasting the body is not used to convert ammonia to urea. Thus I find it a lot safer to have a fatty meal before a fast. This puts your fats in the target of catabolism.

But for short fasts like less than a week at a time this is not a matter of life or death and the benefits of a fast will still outweigh the negatives of not having entered it in the most efficient possible way..

Hope you derive a lot of benefits.

André

and here is the link to the forum recent forum topic www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Posts-fo...g-pain-in-legs#11413

I think its time to collate all this into one page then the good Doctor can refer same queries to that page.

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31 Jul 2012 16:24 #11592 by david
david replied the topic: Re: Is this a realistic weightloss goal?
Here if the link to the FAQ page entitled: Why A Fatty Meal Before A Fast?

fastingconnection.com/faq-about-fasting/...y-meal-before-a-fast

Doctor if you would care to take a look at it some time and let me know if there is anything you would like to modify.
I have added the same info to the FAQ page: The main problem with entering a fast from a fruit diet?

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01 Aug 2012 01:13 #11599 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for these posts David. The only thing at this stage I would add is a link to a description of the 5 steps to eliminate fat soluble toxins during the fast. Then our guidelines are quite concise and complete: Establishing a fat based metabolism in anticipation of fasting plus eliminating the toxins liberated from the fat as it is being catabolized.

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01 Aug 2012 08:22 #11602 by david
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Doctor glad you like the way the FAQ is set up. There are two links for the five step: One on the general FAQ page and the other is on the forum tab above. You can't miss it. Is that what you meant? If you look at the forum tabs they are dark grey and start with Index Recent Topic New Topic etc So for the next query regarding the 5 steps you can refer people to that tab. Hope that is what you meant.

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26 Dec 2012 17:10 #14498 by nizo_mizer
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At 5'7 and weight at 150 pounds what size pants/shorts do you use? I am curious as I am the same height and currently trying to reach 150 pounds but now that I hear you say you want to be at 132 it makes me wonder if 150 is still heavy for this height.

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26 Dec 2012 19:16 - 26 Dec 2012 19:18 #14510 by TheFastDoctor
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Apologies dear nizo but I don't understand pounds, feet and inches, nor clothe sizes, using whatever fits. If you wish to evaluate yourself, do a quick bodyh mass index calculation, for example on

www.bmi-calculator.co.za/

There's some more info on an American CDC site:

www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/adult_bmi/index.html

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07 Jan 2013 03:14 #14736 by soniyamystical
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I fasted for 3 days and this is from a person who has a food addiction and can never last one hour without food. My diet is naturally high in carbs and fat..and a few days before I indulged in high fatter vegetarian foods. The 3 days were a breeze. I felt great, better energy..I broke it because we had to go out, dinner party :( I cannot wait to start again. B)

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07 Jan 2013 03:50 #14737 by Ockeghem
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soniyamystical wrote: I fasted for 3 days and this is from a person who has a food addiction and can never last one hour without food. My diet is naturally high in carbs and fat..and a few days before I indulged in high fatter vegetarian foods. The 3 days were a breeze. I felt great, better energy..I broke it because we had to go out, dinner party :( I cannot wait to start again. B)


Soniyamystical,

I am at the beginning of another 0010101 week, so at the very least I won't be eating again until this Wednesday. Knowing me though, it will probably end up being longer than that once I get there!

Happy fasting. :)

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08 Jan 2013 12:32 #14771 by Ladysphinx
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This is an interesting read thank you for the info. I decided to start fasting again for spiritual reason but doing some research I realized it could also help me with my weight problem and then also my insulin resistance and PCOS which in turn might help me with my messed up female hormones.

My doctor put me on a low carb diet but with lots of vegetables low in carbs which means mostly green veggies of which I'm allowed to eat of as much as i want With 3- 5 portions of fatty meat.

Nothing processed such as bacon, cold meat, viennas and so on. Nothing with starches and nothing with sugar including fruits. No dairy products except Bulgarian Yogurt

Once I have reached my goal weight I'll be allowed fruits again.

Right now I'm fasting for weight loss but my dream is to do a water fast for at least 21 days.

I'm planing on intermittent fasting once I get to 120 lbs I had a chance to weigh my self and I hit the scale at 195lbs after loosing a lot of weight. I have struggled with over weight for 12 years now and it's the first time i seem to be winning ;)

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