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23 Feb 2014 20:13 #20505 by david
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Doctor I am reading Electrical Nutrition by Denie and Shelley Hiestand and came across a section on Lymphatic Drainage where fasting is described as an inapt way to detoxify.

The only trouble with fasting is that once the food intake is recommenced, the body naturally responds by increasing its efficiency of food conversion - a natural biological response. Consequently, lost cells are replaced incredibly quickly, which is why fasting achieves very little. Fasting also puts extreme stress on various systems within the body, resulting in electrical system damage, which can lead to disease. Looking at fasting from a n electrical perspective , it becomes clear that there are far more effective ways of detoxifying.


His approach is to focus on exercises such as dancing, rebounding, walking etc to facilitate the flow and drainage of lymphatic fluid.

Would appreciate your comments on this.

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23 Feb 2014 23:57 #20514 by kaypeeoh
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I 'googled' the book and found this:

You are doing everything you’re supposed to do – exercising, getting enough rest, and eating a diet high in carbohydrates and low in meat and fat. Yet for some reason you still feel tired, run-down, and chronically ill. On top of that, you’re gaining weight rather than losing it. Despite your healthy lifestyle, you’ve been feeling pretty unhealthy. What’s the problem? It just may be that your so-called healthy diet is doing your body more harm than good.

In Electrical Nutrition, authors Denie and Shelley Hiestand outline a novel approach to health and nutrition based on the electrical composition of the human body and the foods we eat. This new and provocative way of examining nutrition shows that the typical nutrition model many Americans follow is flawed. Not only is meat, particularly red meat, essential for good health, but grains are actually detrimental to your well-being.

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24 Feb 2014 04:57 #20519 by TheFastDoctor
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The few quotes on "Electrical Nutrition" thus far sounds like it's a bad joke. "Electrical composition of food"??? Seems someone needs a bit of primary school physics here. I do agree that grains are generally not the best of ideas although at up to 10% of the diet it is no problem. Indeed our ancestral diet did contain about 10% grains (Today up to 80% of the diet is grains or grain derived).

I wonder when these people suggest red meat to be essential, why is is that we vegetarians are just so much healthier? Plus, we should be aware of the fact that the bulk of (red) meat today comes from grain: The animals are fed primarily grain to get them to gain weight quickly. Thus the proteins in muscles (meat) also comes from grains...

People are gullible. Any new philosophy is bound to have some followers. As does the Flat Earth Society....

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24 Feb 2014 08:55 #20520 by david
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Thank you Doctor it appears that by invalidating his model of health it also voids his logic on why fasting is not good for you?

I finished the book last night and although I don't agree with his conclusions about why red meat is the answer to optimal health I do agree with some of the concepts. For example grains are more robust and therefore don't get completely broken down in the intestines before they are eliminated. Also liquids and solids have the ability to donate free electrons or to be electron drains. Foods such as green leaves which are high in donor electrons give up these electrons as they enter the body and help to eliminate things like free radicals and they may also nourish the body's electrical system as after all our body's do run on electricity.

My point was not to get approval for the Electrical Nutrition Hypothesis but rather understand why the author thought that fasting was harmful. Admittedly he could have done a better job of clarifying his point as the passage I quote is obscure. For example; "increased efficiency in food conversion" = "cells are replaced incredibly quickly" well why is this a bad thing? Also " fasting puts stress on various systems" which systems is he referring to and what type of electrical system damage and how does it manifest. I would argue that if the body is left to its own devices (homeostasis) it will end up with the optimal "electrical charge" as there would be a total absence of any substance which may have previously short circuited the body's electrical matrix.

Thank you for your input kaypeech

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24 Feb 2014 09:16 #20521 by david
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Here is an interesting fact related to grain consumption:

"Problems arose when humans learned to cook and to farm. This allowed them to access new foods namely pulses, grains and root vegetables - these need cooking to be digestable. From an evolutionary perspective this have been highly successful and allowed the population of humans to increase at a great rate. However carbohydrates have the potential to be fermented in the upper gut with problems arising…." According to this article the large intestine is designed to ferment foods but the small intestine is meant to stay sterile. When fermentation occurs in the upper gut it can cause a bunch of health related issues.

www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Fermentation_in_the_gut_and_CFS

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24 Feb 2014 09:55 #20522 by TheFastDoctor
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I fully agree with you David. This is one problem with many different theories: There are SOME truths in them, which is then used to convey "baggage".

This notion of "cells replaced incredibly quickly"... it IS a bad thing, as each cell can replicate only so many times, then it dies. The telomeres on the chromosomes shorten with each division. When they are no more, the cell can not divide again.

BUT where on earth did these people get that "information"?? We KNOW that cells STOP dividing when you fast: That's the basis of (Chemotherapy and radiation) cancer treatment being found to have less effect on healthy cells if used during a period of fasting.

"Stress on various systems"... well, Exercise puts stress on your muscles and bones... that's what makes them strong!

I do agree that problems arose with farming and cooking. One of them is that people started living much, much longer than when they were hunter-gatherers. Thus the diseases of old age started appearing.

They are quite right that the upper intestine is supposed to be sterile and the lower part (colon) does "ferment" food... many different bacteria grows there producing micro nutrients.

We'll always have problems with partial truths being interpreted wrongly. I am also subject to such possibilities. Many of my practices and some advice is based on my interpretation of signs and symptoms, lab results and physiology. Thus we must remain willing to admit that we may have had less than the absolute truth before, and adapt accordingly.

André

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