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05 Nov 2012 16:21 #13530 by 10syogactress
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Hi Friends,

I am new to this site and already love it! I recently came off of a 28-day juice fast and felt wonderful on it. The only problem is, my body and mind freaked out quite a bit and began to eat everything in sight!

Needless to say, I moved to New York City three months ago and this weekend was my dream weekend - with friends, outings, birthday parties, hosting breakfasts and dinners - it was absolutely how I envisioned my living in New York City to be!

I also gained 8 pounds in the last three days! I feel okay but I am definitely ready to get back to fasting. Now since I have experienced a juice fast, I am ready to join water fasting. "010" also sounds interesting to me.

Please post any feedback, suggestions on weight loss, etc. if you have any. Much love to you all!

-Dasha

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05 Nov 2012 16:51 #13531 by david
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Hi Dasha thank you for the positive feedback great that you found us and do join the 010 if you feel you can handle the discipline. It is a really good way to keep off the pounds and a host of other good things. Like you I did a couple of really long juice fasts and had such positive benefits from them but also found it difficult not to binge afterwards. IF lifestyle appears to be the best way to keep fit and positive. But does require discipline.

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05 Nov 2012 17:36 #13532 by 10syogactress
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Hi David,

It was really nice to read that I am not the only one that turned to bingeing after the juice fast. Plus, I actually started doing the juice fast to give myself self-discipline! Now the more research I do, the more I understand the benefits of water fasting. I am really excited to start the 010. Today will be my gradual easing into a strict water fast (with less than 600 calories in the evening) and tomorrow will be my first water fast. I am really excited.

I am really thankful for doing the juice fast and definitely more pumped and motivated, more disciplined than ever before to embark on a 010 or on a strict water fast.

Thank you for all of the encouragement! If you have any experience or knowledge to share here about doing the first water fast (I have already read many of the wonderful articles posted here online), please do! I am a sucker for fasting knowledge!

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05 Nov 2012 22:21 - 08 Nov 2012 00:08 #13535 by Chelsea Girl
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Hi Dasha!!

A 250 ml glass of fruit juice has about eight full teaspoons of sugar! This is nearly as much sugar as is in a can of soda (one typically has 10 teaspoons of sugar). When the sugar is combined in its natural form in the whole fruit it causes far less of a problem as the fiber tends to slow its absorption and prevents over consumption. But process the fruit sugar out of the fruit and remove the fiber and you have an entirely different setup. The sugar in fruit juice is typically a fruit sugar called fructose, which many mistakenly believe is a “healthy” form of sugar. But fructose is every bit as dangerous as regular table sugar since it will also cause a major increase in your insulin levels. And high insulin will make you hungry...

Say you have your juice glass, your blood sugar rises almost instantly. Insulin is excreted to store the sugar (and prevent the damage it can cause in our body when circulating freely). The sugar from your juice glass is no longer in your blood, but insulin is still there. So all this insulin still present is now lowering your blood sugar BELOW standard levels, leaving you hypoglycemic. What happens when you are hypoglycemic? You need a sugar boost. Your appetite centers start flashing alarmingly... you must eat again! The fructose/insulin cycle can really spiral out of control, making us very hungry creatures!

The other problem is the storage of fructose... it can't be processed properly by the liver (it almost sees it as a toxin)... and your muscles will more than likely already have sufficient glycogen (unless you've just run a marathon). So where will insulin quickly store all that excess fructose?... Yes, in your fat cells...

I see fructose in juices more as a foe than a friend!

I have tried juicing myself... Imean the wrong kind: with fruit in it. And found myself "suffering" hourly hunger pangs (with water fasting I may have 2 or 3 hunger pangs a day). My weight loss was simply because I was drinking about 1000 cals a day, but not because of the miracle juice.

Anyway, here's more information on juicing:

www.fastingconnection.com/articles-on-fasting/143-juice-fasting

P.S. I love yoga!!

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06 Nov 2012 06:01 - 06 Nov 2012 06:04 #13539 by 10syogactress
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Hi Chelsea,

Wow. Thank you so so much for the information! I wish I would have read this earlier because today, I was getting ready for my water fast by eating two apples, an avocado and two cucumbers. And now it makes sense about the hunger pangs that was from the apples!! I am embarassed to say but I got home and had a bagel with hummus and a small glass of wine. I am really embarassed for this. I wanted to begin this water fast in a healthy way - not with wine and bagel.

I taught two yoga classes today and practiced one class - I was exhausted. I still can't believe I ate this bagel and hummus and wine after I already had 600 calories with the apples, avocado and cucumbers. Grr. That is frustrating.

I love your blog! (I am assuming it is yours). I am definitely looking into buying the L-glutamine, chromium and zinc now! Thank you for the awesome information.

So I am going to try my first water fast. I do not know how long I will last. My goal is to go for 14 days but we shall see. I should probably have a certain date that I am for sure going to do this but for now, I am going to just keep track of the next 14 days and see how many days I can water fast! I hope this is okay. It's just that I have friends coming over to visit and other friends taking me out for dinner, so that is where I would have to break my fast. However, I know that I can do this!!

I am just worried about getting dizzy and/or passing out from lack of food. Can this happen? I have some yoga classes coming up the next couple of weeks as well as a Movement class that I do for school (it is very rigirous exercising). So I am a bit worried about the detox symptoms I may feel and about getting dizzy or nauseous. Other than that, I am excited to post daily progress of my fast!

Thank you so much for all of your support! Please let me know if you have any other feedback.

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06 Nov 2012 07:19 #13541 by Hungry Caveman
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Thank you Chelsea Girl for posting that information.

I wrote an article covering similar information called "How to screw up an apple" at www.loseweightgetyounger.com/how_to_screw_up_an_apple.htm This is a brief quote:

"How to screw up an apple? Its really easy; Just put it through a juicer or food processor. Health conscious parents would probably recoil at the prospect of putting Coke in a sippy cup for their one year old child, but the same parents might not think twice of putting apple juice in that same sippy cup.

Doctors are now saying there may be little difference between Coke and apple juice.

A growing body of science is linking sweet drinks, natural or otherwise, to a host of child health concerns including everything from bulging bellies to tooth decay.

All of these beverages are largely the same. They are 100 percent sugar," Dr. David Ludwig, an expert on pediatric obesity at Children's Hospital Boston, said recently. 'Juice is only minimally better than soda'."

Juice fasting can be problematical for some people particularly if they are already insulin resistant. Our bodies require insulin to properly get energy from carbohydrates to the cells, but the hormone insulin is very good at doing two things: it helps the body store carbohydrate as fat and it keeps the body from burning fat. These are not things we like going on in the body when we are trying to lose weight.

A person who is juice fasting is trying to lose weight on a diet that is 100% carbohydrate and that means they are going to be outputting insulin into their systems every time they drink the juice. If the person is insulin resistant their bodies may output even more insulin than is needed. That is not only going to make them feel hunger, but it is going to interfere with weight loss and encourage fat storage.

As Chelsea Girl correctly points out natural fruit has fiber and this goes a long ways towards buffering these negative reactions to fructose. And natural fruit is not nearly as high glycemic as is the processed juice. When we put natural whole food through a juicer we are removing the fiber and thus removing one of the most healthy parts of that food.

But these problems are eliminated by water fasting because while water fasting the body will not output any insulin and many water fasters like myself feel little hunger while water fasting.

Dasha, you are just going to have to experiment to discover the activity level you can maintain while water fasting. But typically I have no problems doing my normal exercise during the first 10 days of water fasting, but I will experience some weakness and occasional dizziness after that. But although blackouts can happen they are rare. Use a little caution when you first get out of bed in the morning.

And good luck!

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06 Nov 2012 08:24 #13542 by david
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A growing body of science is linking sweet drinks, natural or otherwise, to a host of child health concerns including everything from bulging bellies to tooth decay.



Any study on tooth decay should start with this chap. Most Natural Hygienists are familiar with his work.

"Dr. Weston Price was a Houston dentist who traveled around the world in the 1930's and 1940's studying the diet's of primitive people's isolated from the modern world. Weston Price found that he could eliminate or greatly reduce bad bacteria's in the mouth which fuel the tooth degeneration process through diet. "These data are typical of clinical cases in which dental caries has been reduced apparently to zero, as indicated by both x-ray and instrumental examination." He also linked tooth decay to the consumption of grain. He conducted an experiment on a bunch of young people raising them on a grain free diet with astonishing results.

www.speckdentist.com/articles/healing-ad...and-toothache-2.html

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06 Nov 2012 18:28 #13552 by 10syogactress
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Great point, David! The one thing I can say that I am thankful for from the juice fast is that it helped my body get familiar with the process of fasting. Perhaps I took the harder route by doing it via juice with hunger pangs and all!

Agreeing with Chelseagirl, I have had one hunger pang so far in the last four hours, which was in the morning. When I was on my juice fast, I would get them all of the time and would think that if I am hungry, I need to drink juice! How wrong I was.

Yumm...I just drank two glasses of delicious water! It is amazing how filling it was.

So my goal is to do my first water fast for 14 days. The only issue I have is that my friends, my roommate and my teachers began to say things like, "you're getting so skinny!" or "you really need to eat something!" while I was on my juice fast AND I was not even getting that thin! I probably lost about 15 pounds in 28 days on the juice fast. This morning I was almost at my lowest weight since coming off of the juice fast and I know this figure will go down while being on the water fast. I have people asking me out to dinner and drinks in the next couple of weeks and I am not sure of what to do. I would rather keep this water fast a little bit of a secret so as to not worry people. Sorry...I know this sounds bad but I don't want to be given a hard time about it like I was during my juice fast!

There is also a certain sense of control that you get when you don't tell the entire world about the fast. The last time with my juice fast, I updated my facebook with status updates and got a lot of support from people. I would update my posts daily and this was great - I even had several people join me on their own "mini" fasts. As much as I love my friends and this support (or at sometimes it was the, "you need to eat!" comments that made me a little blue), I will be doing the water fast for myself, just posting on here as frequently as possible.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to be most discrete about the water fast while still being with people? Also, how much water to drink during the day?

Let the fasting games continue!

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06 Nov 2012 19:08 - 06 Nov 2012 19:11 #13554 by Ockeghem
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10syogactress,

I kind of understand what you're saying with regard to informing people of your fast or keeping it a secret. I go back-and-forth with that each time I fast. I don't mind telling people on this Board, as it's pretty much anonymous. But in my experience the 'world' for the most part doesn't really understand the reason we do what we do when it comes to fasting. And the lengths of fasts that some on this Board engage in frequently would probably shock them.

I have actually made a decision not to go past Thanksgiving this time around. I know that my wife would understand if I were not to eat at Thanksgiving, but my children -- some of whom are very young -- don't fully understand what it is that I am doing, or why I am doing it, when I fast. And I really don't want them to fast at their age. (By the way, four of my children are girls, and none of them are anywhere near to being overweight.)

Best wishes with your fourteen-day fast. I've done several of them, and it feels great once it is completed. :)

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06 Nov 2012 20:29 #13558 by Hungry Caveman
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Ockeghem in right. The world does not understand fasting and trying to educate the world can be a frustrating task.

Back in the 1870s an American Doctor named Henry Tanner (short article here: www.loseweightgetyounger.com/A%20Great%20Doctor.htm ) developed the 40 day fast as a treatment model for many diseases. Nobody believed this was possible and he was labeled a fraud and viciously attacked by the medical profession. He finally went to New York and undertook a forty day fast with doctors watching him 24 X 7 for 40 days.

People were so convinced that this is impossible that when Tanner did complete his fast, there were thousands of people in the street cheering him like he was a rock star.

Little has changed since Dr. Tanners attempts to legitimize long term fasting as a medical treatment model. The long fast is still regarded with disbelief and great suspicion.

I have had friends stop e-mailing me after I mentioned my two 47 day water fasts. I wonder if they think I am crazy or lying?

Anyway I have learned that the easiest route is to not discuss my long term fasting in the real world. It is just too difficult and ends up creating anxiety and anger for me.

BUT people are very complementary about my changed appearance as a result of nearly five years of regular fasting. People also do not believe my age!

I have learned to lie. I usually explain the weight loss (nearly 100 pounds) with something like I am going to the Gym every day or I am jogging many miles daily or I have been doing the "cookie and fish diet" or something like that.

OK those one night social events: If it is just cocktails get a glass of water from the bar with an olive, cherry or orange slice in it. Sip it all night, do not eat your prop, and if anybody asks tell them its a "Bombed Obama" or a "Ruined Romney" or something else creative and funny.

For dinner out you might also want a disguised water prop with a good lie. Examples: I am fasting for blood tests tomorrow. I threw up just before I came here and I do not know what the problem is. I am really sorry I am feeling dizzy and I just do not feel like eating. I am having a root canal being done tomorrow at 7:45 and the dentist says 12 hours of fasting before he induces twilight sleep.

Usually people will leave you alone.

But if the people get really pushy and obnoxious you might just have to be assertive.

Unfortunately fasting can be a lonely experience. I can only assure you that it can also be possibly the most significant experience of your life. I really believe that a long fast is a trip to and from another world and I would not give up my experiences for anything. And there is no question in my mind that fasting has added decades of active and productive "young years" to my life.

If you stick with your resolve and your beliefs people will ultimately admire you and accept you and leave you alone.

But becoming dedicated to the art of fasting is not ever going to be easy.

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06 Nov 2012 22:14 #13564 by david
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I have learned to lie. I usually explain the weight loss (nearly 100 pounds) with something like I am going to the Gym every day or I am jogging many miles daily or I have been doing the "cookie and fish diet" or something like that.

OK those one night social events: If it is just cocktails get a glass of water from the bar with an olive, cherry or orange slice in it. Sip it all night, do not eat your prop, and if anybody asks tell them its a "Bombed Obama" or a "Ruined Romney" or something else creative and funny.


Brilliant :side: :side: :side:

My one is I don't eat during the day but binge as soon as I get home. Hehe

I really believe that a long fast is a trip to and from another world and I would not give up my experiences for anything.


I keep on meaning to relay a story about a guy in his 70's I think it was Switzerland who lost everything including his wife. Or I think his wife left him for another guy etc. He decided to call it a day and end his life by starvation. So he went up into the Alps and just stopped eating. However after about 30 days he realised that instead of dying he was feeling better. His depression had lifted and he was feeling more positive by the day. Continued fasting for another 20 + days and then was ready to restart his life and turn over a new leaf which he did. I read this in one of the fasting books or perhaps online no longer certain so facts might be a little shady but will look it up.

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07 Nov 2012 21:22 #13584 by 10syogactress
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Reading your posts is such an inspiration to me, you have no idea! David, Caveman and Ockeghem - thank you and congratulations on all of your fasting! You are a true example to live by for us and especially us "secret ones" that are keeping our fasting away from the world (to me, it seems like it can be to protect others so they are not so worried about us).

I messed up today :( This is probably a made up excuse or something (and I apologize if it is) but I decided to eat today. And I have to admit that eat I did - I fasted the entire day yesterday and felt very good for the most part!! In fact, I am eager to do it again tomorrow.

My plan is to go like this:
11/6:
0,
11/7:
1,
11/8:
0+0.5,
11/9:
0.5,
11/10:
0,
11/11:
0,
11/12:
1,
11/13:
0,
11/14:
0,
11/15:
0,
11/16:
1,
11/17:
1,
11/18:
0,
11/19:
0,
11/20:
0,
11/21:
1,
11/22:
1,
11/23:
1
11/24:
1
11/25 until 11/30:
0

I figure that this will help me ramp myself up into fasting as this is very new to me still. I was afraid today that I would be dizzy during my first day of school (I have 8 hours of classes today and have to get to bed super early to teach yoga tomorrow morning). With that in mind, this will be my Intermittent Fast for the rest of November. I will be at home with my parents, boyfriend and friends during Thanksgiving break and since I have not seen them in awhile, I do not want things to be uncomfortable and so, I decide to eat on those days.

Sorry to bombard this post...I will start a new one on Intermittent Fasting :)

David - thank you so much for your feedback! I am in love with the Bombed Obama and Ruined Romney. I am so proud of you for taking your health into your own hands, losing so much weight, and standing your own ground! If I were your email friend, I would still love to correspond with you - you inspire me! I also agree that fasting will prolong your wonderful health and life! Amazing!

In terms of Intermittent Fasting, I have read that some people eat whatever they want on their "1" days. Today, I ate whatever I wanted and I ate quite a bit - a small bag of pretzels, a granola bar, chicken chili with carrot and ginger, avocado, salmon, chicken breast, a small piece of cooked yam, an organic dark chocolate bar, and sushi. This was so much food and I think I messed up by not eating raw food today - I grabbed for the first things that I saw - the pretzels and it went downhill from there.

Do you have any advice on how to come off of a fast and not turn it into a binge? I understand that you want to come off of it with raw foods, but mentally how does one prepare to come off of a fast?

I have to admit that when I came off of my fast today, I craved less foods than I did when I came off of my juice fast! And it is so true that you get less hunger pangs on a water fast than you do on a juice fast. Thank you all for your inputs, as always!! Happy fasting to you all!

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