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27 Mar 2013 04:03 #15833 by krista111
krista111 created the topic: After a 6 day waterfast need clarifications for future
Dear Doc,

I'm a newbie, have done one 3-day waterfast 3 years ago, and recently finished a 6-day waterfast (planned on 7 days but had to break it). I have a bunch of questions to understand and plan for my next fast properly.

1. One of my greatest difficulties was muscle weakness, hard time going up the stairs, thus I couldn't manage the 5 step elimination. Will this get better in time, or should I just rest all day, forget the 5 steps? I lost about 2 pounds a day (I lose weight extremely fast, and I am not overweight).

2. The 4th-5th day I started to have excruciating lower back pain. I have problems with a sciatica nerve at the base of my spine, and it felt as if my muscles completely lost their tone/support, I probably just lost the little muscle I had, and the pressure and pain in my nerve in my spine was unbearable. I am 43. After I broke the fast and my muscles recovered tone, and my backpain eased. Is this normal? What should I do for next time? I was out of shape before the fast, should I build up some extra muscle/exercise before my next fast?

3. My greatest long term problem of all is that I’ve been living with insomnia for 7 years, and can only sleep with Zopiclone. I had two sleep studies done before starting sleeping pills, a year apart, they both showed the same thing that I simply don’t go into stage 3 and 4 sleep, I stay all night in stage 1 (alpha) and 2 (dream or REM). One of my hopes with fasting – besides detoxification – is to be able to get off the pill. I tried two nights only, to go to sleep without the pill, and both nights after struggling until about 4 AM, I ended up taking half a pill and sleeping a few hours. I also noticed during fasting that an old condition I had in my early 20s – restless leg syndrome - appeared again to my surprise, but it was almost like a “restless body syndrome” couldn’t keep still for hours in bed. I was really hoping to have some success and sleep without aid during the fast but it didn’t work. What should I do? I can take a few days off, but not a whole week or more, and I need to function somehow during the day… What should I do? Can fasting help with the regulation of sleep?

4. The last day of fast I felt severe bruising on the outer side of my thighs, and for 3 days I wasn’t able to sleep on my side (I am a sidesleeper). After 3 days the bruising/pain disappeared. The bruising felt internal, it wasn’t visible on my skin. Also, after terminating the fast, I started feeling bruising in the inside of my left arm, from my armpit into mid-arm, and it still lasts. It feels like phlebitis, and I feel something hard, as if it was a hardened vein. I can’t recall any injury for either my thighs or my arms. Does this have anything to do with fasting? My arm is starting to concern me, it's really painful.. (I ended the fast one week ago.)

5. Is fasting still efficient under emotional stress? I have relationship problems and a couple of times during the fast I’ve gone through big arguments and extreme emotional stress, and one ended up in uncontrollable crying when I had a hard time breathing to the point of choking, and my heart was racing, I felt I'm gonna have a heart attack. This was one of the reasons I broke the fast before the 7 days that I planned, I couldn’t take it anymore.
I know one needs peace and balance during fasting, but if one doesn’t have that, is fasting still safe and efficient?

I guess these are my immediate questions. I wanted to continue fasting this week, but I need to regain some physical and emotional balance as I find fasting exhausting. Otherwise I can already feel the benefits on my stomach (I have a severe candida issue, it’s a bit better now), on learning how to listen to my body and to only eat when my body is asking for it, and I can also feel a bit more of emotional balance. I am wondering how soon I should fast again, and for how long. (For shorter time is easier 3-4 days, but for a week or longer, I’d have to seriously reorganize my life, which is momentarily challenging).

Thank you!

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27 Mar 2013 15:45 #15835 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: After a 6 day waterfast need clarifications for future
Hi Krista!

1. If you develop muscle weakness during a fast, then there must have been something inside of you before you stopped eating, something able to cause muscle weakness... thus, next time, start the elimination cycles before you even start the fast..

2. "Sciatica" often occurs during the first few days of a fast. Whilst we cannot fully explain that, in at least some instances it is due to you losing abdominal fat, which causes your back to become more straight. This pulls on the ligaments at the very back.. simple mechanics. In time the ligaments stretch and the pain disappears. But it may simply be toxins in circulation..

3. Zopliclone CAUSES insomnia. The unconsciousness that it induces is not functional/productive. Any person who uses it more than 3 weeks gets insomnia. The best way to deal with this is to NOT sleep for one night every week.. it's almost like fasting once a week, creating a "void" that gets to be filled the other days. I wrote a chapter in "Health Won" on this.

Restless legs typically comes from toxins and once the habit of fasting is settled and you are well detoxified, this tends to fade.

Right now it is about 48 hours since I last saw a bed, as I had to fly a patient in an air ambulance from another country. Any person can go for up to 5 days without sleeping at all, and doing this regularly often solves the problem.

4. I will need to examine these "bruises" in order to give an opinion on them.. but if they happen during a fast it is most likely toxins coming out or fat being broken down. Moving to another place may be because the toxins moved to the blood and now needs a new "home".

5. Fasting is particularly effective during emotional stress. There's a whole chapter in "Health Won" on this. Inter alia, it releases ketones which chemically reduce stress, whilst it focuses your body on a tangible stress (hunger) and away from the "real" stresses. Thus the "real" stress is "starved" of attention and comes into much better perspective.

It is always safer to do several episodes of a few days of fasting at a time instead of one long fast, unless you have expert supervision and support.

Best wishes.

André

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27 Mar 2013 18:44 - 27 Mar 2013 18:54 #15836 by Shant
Shant replied the topic: After a 6 day waterfast need clarifications for future
Welcome on board, Krista.

@Andre: Fantastic responses, dear Doctor.

David, if you're reading this, could you please move these two posts into FAQ? or highlight it another way? I think a lot of members/specially those new to fasting would find it very helpful.
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27 Mar 2013 19:32 #15837 by Tomotto
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27 Mar 2013 19:32 #15838 by Tomotto
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27 Mar 2013 21:37 #15839 by krista111
krista111 replied the topic: After a 6 day waterfast need clarifications for future
Thank you doc for your reply, very useful information. I will try that. Would you say if I start another fast now (9 days since my last day of fasting), will my body still "remember" that I was in fat burning mode, or will it start from the beginning again? I am thinking about 3-4 days, starting tomorrow. Also, in this case, start with a fatty meal? (I'm a vegetarian so fatty meal would be avocados and cheese, maybe with pasta?)
Also, you referenced Health Won a couple of times but I couldn't find it searching on this board. Is it a publication outside of this forum? I would like to read it.
Thank you so much for your help and support!!!

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28 Mar 2013 01:14 #15841 by Indie
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krista111 wrote: Thank you doc for your reply, very useful information. I will try that. Would you say if I start another fast now (9 days since my last day of fasting), will my body still "remember" that I was in fat burning mode, or will it start from the beginning again? I am thinking about 3-4 days, starting tomorrow. Also, in this case, start with a fatty meal? (I'm a vegetarian so fatty meal would be avocados and cheese, maybe with pasta?)
Also, you referenced Health Won a couple of times but I couldn't find it searching on this board. Is it a publication outside of this forum? I would like to read it.
Thank you so much for your help and support!!!


Kia ora Krista and welcome! Health Won is the doctor's book. Just hover your cursor over the ARTICLES link at the top then click The Fast Doctor on the drop down menu :) You'll see the e-book link there :) Cheers!

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28 Mar 2013 06:42 #15843 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: After a 6 day waterfast need clarifications for future
Dear Krista, my experience is that there's "memory" left for 10, up to 14 days after a reasonably length fast. Indeed I always start on a fatty meal.. we need to keep reminding the body of what to use. If you are willing to use dairy products, a cream cheese, or better still, pure cream is the ideal. Normal cheese is a bit rich in protein for this specific purpose. The highest cholesterol food (to stimulate cholesterol breakdown) is egg yolk.

Thanks Indie for the link..

André

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